The Search for Muhammad has Ended
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You have no right to annul an order by God that the bayt is for all people, mentioned more than once , at the expense of masjid where the order to keep mushriks away from it happened only once, just to establish your specific understanding Nowhere in the qur'aan do we have the bayt meaning the masjid or in its vicinity.
In about 1400 years billions of people have located the Albait in more or less the middle of the Masjid. If that understanding and physical evidencing is incorrect, and the available structures of both are in different cities or states, that needs to be identified.
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In about 1400 years billions of people have located the Albait in more or less the middle of the Masjid. If that understanding and physical evidencing is incorrect, and the available structures of both are in different cities or states, that needs to be identified.
Not billions of people but in fact hardly a few "Muslim scholars" alleged that a small room somewhere is a bayt of God and the mass of Muslims just followed. What's more interesting is that no messenger of God after Ibrahim (presuming that Ibrahim and his son raised its foundation) has visited this" bayt of God" nor did their followers. God has not told us that those people were wrong for not having visited "His bayt". He told us that they prayed, gave charity, believed in Him only and even fasted, but never visited this "bayt", simply because it is not a structure or a location.
Another point "Mecca" has been ignored, not just by other religions, but also by Muslim rulers themselves. They set their capital in Damascus from the era of Omar Ibn ul Khatab on, and it was never the capital for any of them. Even the Prophet did not bother to live in it after the conquest although it's alleged that he was born there. How can we believe that such a town existed and contained a bayt of God? -
Peace...
too much confusion, pre-conception and opinions on the subject of Beyt / Sanctuary...
let me put my understanding here for whatever it is worth...
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There is no doubt in my mind the places are physical, and there is nothing theologically wrong to find out where they have been / what they are...
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If you re-read the story of Ahl Al Kahfi, (The people of the Cave), when they died, the people have been arguing about how much they slept, how many they were, and wished to build a sanctuary over them, which Allah scorned, as instead of benefitting from the wisdom of the story, people got lost in the details - much as we do here...
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It is very legitimate to find out about one's history, and in fact Allah urges us to do so... so finding out where the Prophets lived and whether what we are being told is correct or not is very acceptable...
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That faith in Allah involves physical manifestations, such as Temples and Sanctuaries, even if these are natural areas like pazuzu argues has nothing to do with shirk, it is the meaning we attribute to these physical manifestations that can constitute shirk... Allah does emphasise that if it were not through His interventions, pushing people alongside others, there will be no Temples, Synagogues and Sanctuaries where God's name is celebrated... this meaning that it is natural for people to do so... because after all, how would believers congregate if they wished to draw near Allah as a group, as opposed to as singletons... Doesn't Allah love Believers standing side by side as if it is an impenetrable wall?
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Excellent Post! Pazuzu.Articles are worth the likes of a Nobel Candidate.
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He told us that they prayed, gave charity, believed in Him only and even fasted, but never visited this "bayt", simply because it is not a structure or a location.
Alternatively, you need to define it as to what is it--a thought, concept, idea!!!!!
"bayt" would also mean "inhabited location".
Seem there are many locations in Yemen called as "Bayt" or "Buyut".
http//www.tageo.com/index-letter-66-e-ym-v-00.htmThere also location named "Bayt Ibrahim" in Yemen and Iraq. Which one the earliest, i am not sure..
Peace.
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The Arabic text says "Yarfa3u' l qawa3id min al bayti".
The word "yarfa3u" here means he REMOVED or LIFTED something FROM al bayt. There were certain things that were "qawa3id" (stagnating or fixed for a long time), and Abraham removed them.
This is similar to Allah telling Muhamad
{Did We not comfort your chest * And take from you your load * Which had put strain on your back?}...
Note the expression "take from you your load". It means Allah REMOVED the load that was straining Muhamad's back. The Arabic text says "narfa3u 3anka" (We "lifted it" or "removed it".
Abraham REMOVED something.
You said The Arabic text says "narfa3u 3anka"
But, when I checked verse it says "waa3n 3anka"
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=94&verse=1Will you please explain how you arrived to word "narfa3u" in place of "waa3n"?
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Not billions of people but in fact hardly a few "Muslim scholars" alleged that a small room somewhere is a bayt of God and the mass of Muslims just followed. What's more interesting is that no messenger of God after Ibrahim (presuming that Ibrahim and his son raised its foundation) has visited this" bayt of God" nor did their followers. God has not told us that those people were wrong for not having visited "His bayt". He told us that they prayed, gave charity, believed in Him only and even fasted, but never visited this "bayt", simply because it is not a structure or a location.
Another point "Mecca" has been ignored, not just by other religions, but also by Muslim rulers themselves. They set their capital in Damascus from the era of Omar Ibn ul Khatab on, and it was never the capital for any of them. Even the Prophet did not bother to live in it after the conquest although it's alleged that he was born there. How can we believe that such a town existed and contained a bayt of God?Yes, that's quite an interesting point!
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I know this thread is old now. Just came across this research a few days ago and have been researching the "Torah came from Arabia" theory. I've got quite a few questions but I'm going to focus on one for the moment. Pazuzu, you mention there are 200+ names of places in the Torah matching names in Arabia to the letter. Could you please provide some examples or a list of these if possible (a link or something)? I'm interested in this research and that statement caught my eye. Elaboration would be appreciated. Would that definitely prove your theory that the Torah came from Arabia and Israel was actually in Arabia? Very thorough research though )
Thank you
PS is most of your research derived from Salibi's book or do you draw from other authors/your own research? If so, who. Thanx, just curious. -
I know this thread is old now. Just came across this research a few days ago and have been researching the "Torah came from Arabia" theory. I've got quite a few questions but I'm going to focus on one for the moment. Pazuzu, you mention there are 200+ names of places in the Torah matching names in Arabia to the letter. Could you please provide some examples or a list of these if possible (a link or something)? I'm interested in this research and that statement caught my eye. Elaboration would be appreciated. Would that definitely prove your theory that the Torah came from Arabia and Israel was actually in Arabia? Very thorough research though )
Thank you
PS is most of your research derived from Salibi's book or do you draw from other authors/your own research? If so, who. Thanx, just curious.If you are interested in Pazuzu's research and need further evidence please study these books.
In books II and III, you can see many references to Arabic poetry, and Description of Arabia, which match with the names in the Old Testament.
ARABIA The Untold Story
Book 1 The Search for Pharaoh
http//www.scribd.com/doc/132840113/Arabia-The-Untold-Story-Book-1-Search-for-PharaohARABIA The Untold Story
Book 2 Road of the Patriarch
http//www.scribd.com/doc/132844965/ARABIA-The-Untold-Story-Book-2-Road-of-the-PatriarchARABIA The Untold Story
Book 3 Israel and Sheba
http//www.scribd.com/doc/159441825/ARABIA-The-Untold-Story-Israel-and-Sheba -
You see the blue circle I have placed on that map? Here's the deal ALL the events mentioned in the Quran took place there. ALL the prophets lived and preached there. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Jacob, the Israelites, Moses , Esau (not Jesus), David, Solomon, Muhamad....They were ALL there. So are the places mentioned in the Quran. Baka, Aad (the descendants of Noah's people), Sheba, Thamud, al- Tur (where God spoke to Moses), the Holy Sacntuary....They are ALL there. Arabic, the ancient, perrenial and "fitri" tongue of mankind emerged from there. The 'Garden" of Adam was there, in the Heights. HUMAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEGAN THERE. This is the truth that you people are refusing to accept.
Salam all
Pazuzu,
In the Holy Quran Chapter 37 - FM Translation
3775
And Noah had called upon Us, for We are the best to respond.
3776
And We saved him and his family from the great disaster.
3777
And We made his progeny the one that remained.
3778
And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779
Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.
3780
It is such that We reward the righteous.
3781
He is of Our believing servants.
3782
Then We drowned the others.
3783
And from his clan was Abraham.
3784
For he came to his Lord with a pure heart.
3785
When he said to his father and his people What are you worshiping?
3786
Is it fabricated gods, instead of GOD that you want?
3787
What do you say of the Lord of the worlds?
3788
Then he looked towards the stars.
3789
And he said I am ill!
3790
So they turned away from him and departed.
3791
He then went to their gods and said Can you not eat?
3792
What is the matter, you do not speak?
3793
So he then turned on them, striking with his hand.
3794
Then they approached him outraged.
3795
He said Do you worship what you carve?
3796
While GOD has created you, and all that you make!
3797
They said Build for him a structure, and then throw him into its fire.
3798
So they wanted to plan against him, but We made them the losers.
3799
And he said I am going to my Lord; He will guide me.
37100
My Lord, grant me from among the righteous.
37101
So We gave him good news of a compassionate child.
37102
And when he grew enough to work with him, he said My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think? He said O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient.
37103
So when they both had submitted, and he was laid by his forehead.
37104
And We called him O Abraham,
37105
You have carried out the vision. It was such that We rewarded the righteous.
37106
Surely, this was an exacting test.
37107
And We ransomed him with a great animal sacrifice.
37108
And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109
Peace be upon Abraham.
37110
It is thus that We reward the righteous.
37111
He was of Our believing servants.
37112
And We gave him the good news of the coming of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous.
37113
And We blessed him and Isaac. And from among their progeny, some are righteous, and some are clearly wicked.
37114
And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
37115
And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
37116
And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
37117
And We gave both the clear Book.
37118
And We guided them to the straight path.
37119
And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120
Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.
37121
We thus reward the righteous.
37122
Both of them were among Our believing servants.
37123
And Elias was one of the messengers.
37124
When he said to his people Would you not be righteous?
37125
Would you call on Baal and forsake the best Creator?
37126
GOD is your Lord, and the Lord of your fathers of old!
37127
But they denied him. Thus they were called to account.
37128
Except for the devoted servants of GOD.
37129
And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130
Peace be upon the family of Elias.
37131
We thus reward the righteous.
37132
He was one of our believing servants.
37133
And Lot was one of the messengers.
37134
When We saved him and all his family.
37135
Except an old woman who remained.
37136
Then, We destroyed the rest.
37137
And you pass by their ruins in the morning;
37138
And in the night. Do you not comprehend?Prophet Muhammad was residing in a location where his ancestors were, that is, the Prophets Noah, Abraham, Ishaq, Elias. . And he were at the location of Shuaib
Nothing is mentioned about the other Prophets mentioned AQ 0683 -89 besides the Prophets mentioned above!
Further
The bless land as dictated in the Holy Quran was very closed to Saba . As we already know that Saba was located somewhere in South Arabia, very close to the Israelite Kingdom. And that the Prophet Sulaiman had been to the bless land from his kingdom by means of the wind that he controlled.
AQ 2181 And to Solomon the wind, blowing forcefully, proceeding by his command toward the land which We had blessed. And We are ever, of all things, Knowing.
The continuation of the above verse is AQ 3412
And to Solomon the wind - its morning - a month - and its departure a month, and We made a flight for him eyeing the territory.....
So, the journey from his kingdom to the bless land, in flight by the winds took him the whole morning, which is about, say, a 4 hours journey, approximately 2000 or so km and that, if he were to go on a land journey, equivalent to 2000 or so km, it will take him a month, assuming if he rides on a young fit camel, which can travel 70 km/day.
Since his kingdom was near Sheba, which is in South Arabia, it shows that the Blessed Land can only be located more than 2000 km North, which is, some where in the Levant!
ALLAH KNOWS BEST
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You see the blue circle I have placed on that map? Here's the deal ALL the events mentioned in the Quran took place there. ALL the prophets lived and preached there. Noah, Abraham, Lot, Jacob, the Israelites, Moses , Esau (not Jesus), David, Solomon, Muhamad....They were ALL there. So are the places mentioned in the Quran. Baka, Aad (the descendants of Noah's people), Sheba, Thamud, al- Tur (where God spoke to Moses), the Holy Sacntuary....They are ALL there. Arabic, the ancient, perrenial and "fitri" tongue of mankind emerged from there. The 'Garden" of Adam was there, in the Heights. HUMAN LIFE AS WE KNOW IT BEGAN THERE. This is the truth that you people are refusing to accept.
Salam all
Pazuzu,
In the Holy Quran Chapter 37 - FM Translation
3775
And Noah had called upon Us, for We are the best to respond.
3776
And We saved him and his family from the great disaster.
3777
And We made his progeny the one that remained.
3778
And We kept his history for those who came later.
3779
Peace be upon Noah among the worlds.
3780
It is such that We reward the righteous.
3781
He is of Our believing servants.
3782
Then We drowned the others.
3783
And from his clan was Abraham.
3784
For he came to his Lord with a pure heart.
3785
When he said to his father and his people What are you worshiping?
3786
Is it fabricated gods, instead of GOD that you want?
3787
What do you say of the Lord of the worlds?
3788
Then he looked towards the stars.
3789
And he said I am ill!
3790
So they turned away from him and departed.
3791
He then went to their gods and said Can you not eat?
3792
What is the matter, you do not speak?
3793
So he then turned on them, striking with his hand.
3794
Then they approached him outraged.
3795
He said Do you worship what you carve?
3796
While GOD has created you, and all that you make!
3797
They said Build for him a structure, and then throw him into its fire.
3798
So they wanted to plan against him, but We made them the losers.
3799
And he said I am going to my Lord; He will guide me.
37100
My Lord, grant me from among the righteous.
37101
So We gave him good news of a compassionate child.
37102
And when he grew enough to work with him, he said My son, I am seeing in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think? He said O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient.
37103
So when they both had submitted, and he was laid by his forehead.
37104
And We called him O Abraham,
37105
You have carried out the vision. It was such that We rewarded the righteous.
37106
Surely, this was an exacting test.
37107
And We ransomed him with a great animal sacrifice.
37108
And We kept his history for those who came later.
37109
Peace be upon Abraham.
37110
It is thus that We reward the righteous.
37111
He was of Our believing servants.
37112
And We gave him the good news of the coming of Isaac, a prophet from among the righteous.
37113
And We blessed him and Isaac. And from among their progeny, some are righteous, and some are clearly wicked.
37114
And indeed, We have given Our grace to Moses and Aaron.
37115
And We saved them and their people from the great disaster.
37116
And We supported them, so that they became the winners.
37117
And We gave both the clear Book.
37118
And We guided them to the straight path.
37119
And We kept their history for those who came later.
37120
Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.
37121
We thus reward the righteous.
37122
Both of them were among Our believing servants.
37123
And Elias was one of the messengers.
37124
When he said to his people Would you not be righteous?
37125
Would you call on Baal and forsake the best Creator?
37126
GOD is your Lord, and the Lord of your fathers of old!
37127
But they denied him. Thus they were called to account.
37128
Except for the devoted servants of GOD.
37129
And We kept his history for those who came later.
37130
Peace be upon the family of Elias.
37131
We thus reward the righteous.
37132
He was one of our believing servants.
37133
And Lot was one of the messengers.
37134
When We saved him and all his family.
37135
Except an old woman who remained.
37136
Then, We destroyed the rest.
37137
And you pass by their ruins in the morning;
37138
And in the night. Do you not comprehend?Prophet Muhammad was residing in a location where his ancestors were, that is, the Prophets Noah, Abraham, Ishaq, Elias. . And he were at the location of Shuaib
Nothing is mentioned about the other Prophets mentioned AQ 0683 -89 besides the Prophets mentioned above!
Further
The bless land as dictated in the Holy Quran was very closed to Saba . As we already know that Saba was located somewhere in South Arabia, very close to the Israelite Kingdom. And that the Prophet Sulaiman had been to the bless land from his kingdom by means of the wind that he controlled.
AQ 2181 And to Solomon the wind, blowing forcefully, proceeding by his command toward the land which We had blessed. And We are ever, of all things, Knowing.
The continuation of the above verse is AQ 3412
And to Solomon the wind - its morning - a month - and its departure a month, and We made a flight for him eyeing the territory.....
So, the journey from his kingdom to the bless land, in flight by the winds took him the whole morning, which is about, say, a 4 hours journey, approximately 2000 or so km and that, if he were to go on a land journey, equivalent to 2000 or so km, it will take him a month, assuming if he rides on a young fit camel, which can travel 70 km/day.
Since his kingdom was near Sheba, which is in South Arabia, it shows that the Blessed Land can only be located more than 2000 km North, which is, some where in the Levant!
ALLAH KNOWS BEST
Hello,
what proof do you have for that claim?
And which blue circle and which map you are talking about in your post?
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Off topic for a moment, has pazazu left the forum or is he still doing research on the topic?
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Peace be upon all
Hi I'm new here yay.
I am not archaeologist, historian or expert in related mater.I used this thread because it seems served as brother pazuzu starting points to further elaborate his truth in many threads. I might say, this thread, thought provoking at first, then (as he used to say to other who did not support his truth ) garbage propaganda!! let's contemplate...
several bold statements from Pazuzu worth noted
I will expose to you one of the greatest delusions that humanity has ever been led to believe
I will reveal to you the greatest historical and geographical forgery that humanity has ever known. And its implications will cause the shock of a lifetime for many of you.
?Our entire history has been a lie?
it merely saying "The greatest truth that humanity should believed, the greatest historical dan geographical truth humanity should know, the truth of entire humanity history" is of brother pazuzu geographical and (his) stori-cal truth )
Brother pazuzu, are you even certified historian? or perhaps certified archaeologist? certified linguist?
because there are differences you know. Simply quoting several hadith phrases from well known historian, archaeologist books, blogs, googling some pictures, corresponding directly with several historian does not make you an expert an history. Are you claiming greatest truth of human history based on research using google?, perhaps some incomplete online journals? some phrases in hardcopy you find/buy in library or amazon. Sorry brother, did you ever literally dig? or in the exploration expedition team? did you ? did you even certified to claim the indisputable truth about the past?Brother pazuzu, your conclusion on truth ( more baseless opnions) based on your thought which seems troubled by Zionist cospirator (their movement), upper echelons, imperialist, Bible scholars, Arab scholars etc whom all conspire to hide your version of truth. Conspiracy theories, secret organizations, Zionist seems stick as the base inside your mind.
Reading several History book does not grant you Doctor, PHD in history (even bachelor). Reading and quoting several archaeology books does not make one deserves the academic title in those related studies. Again, here you may stress about your conspiracies theories, e.g 99 % academic archaeologist, imperialist, Zionist etc..(it's normal reply considering your state of mind to disqualify other who did not in line with your truth)
If one carefully analyze , in 2005-2005, the same you, with geographical approach, still believe the city of Mecca reside near the town whom lot once lived, which described in AlQur'an and old testament. Amazingly, not more than 5 years since, now you claim to have the undeniable truth.
Some maybe amazed by your attempts to rewrite history with (your) story. Some may find your finding is legitimate, some may not. The evidence you claimed not in some places, also is not in your finding so? talking gibberish??
you often say in this manner "if you ask yemenis they will not give you and answer", or other times, "Arab's scholar know but they are to afraid to say" it's nothing but baseless assumption. It is true however, there are many prophet progeny (from his daughter) resides in Yemen, even here in Indonesia (alaydrus, assegaf, etc). Some even become very respectable guru, sheikh, ulama in Yemen, and you know what, despite what you are saying about yemenis, they are still doing pilgrimage, facing towards to al-kabah in mecca. But, then again you might say might say this Sheikh, Ulama ( whom indirect descendant of prophets) is in the 99 % imperialist who contributed lies rights? D
So it's only your truth will prevail as the truest history human should ever know and should know, it's time to rewrite the history according to your truth as the only truth. in sya Allah your jahil attempts will fail )
Anyway , I think it's enough for now. Salam
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There is no need to purchase the whole package, (like religious people usually do).
But it is important to ponder all the points presented in Pazuzu's work.
Also, did he ever claim to be archeologist, historian or whatever?What is it that makes his presented ideas wrong in your eyes? Is it that they don't conform with your world view or do you have some issues with some facts presented in his books? What exactly is it? Is it just too much too handle?
Just wondering.Peace
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Peace be upon all
Hi I'm new here yay.
I am not archaeologist, historian or expert in related mater.I used this thread because it seems served as brother pazuzu starting points to further elaborate his truth in many threads. I might say, this thread, thought provoking at first, then (as he used to say to other who did not support his truth ) garbage propaganda!! let's contemplate...
several bold statements from Pazuzu worth noted
it merely saying "The greatest truth that humanity should believed, the greatest historical dan geographical truth humanity should know, the truth of entire humanity history" is of brother pazuzu geographical and (his) stori-cal truth
Brother pazuzu, are you even certified historian? or perhaps certified archaeologist? certified linguist?
because there are differences you know. Simply quoting several hadith phrases from well known historian, archaeologist books, blogs, googling some pictures, corresponding directly with several historian does not make you an expert an history. Are you claiming greatest truth of human history based on research using google?, perhaps some incomplete online journals? some phrases in hardcopy you find/buy in library or amazon. Sorry brother, did you ever literally dig? or in the exploration expedition team? did you ? did you even certified to claim the indisputable truth about the past?Brother pazuzu, your conclusion on truth ( more baseless opnions) based on your thought which seems troubled by Zionist cospirator (their movement), upper echelons, imperialist, Bible scholars, Arab scholars etc whom all conspire to hide your version of truth. Conspiracy theories, secret organizations, Zionist seems stick as the base inside your mind.
Reading several History book does not grant you Doctor, PHD in history (even bachelor). Reading and quoting several archaeology books does not make one deserves the academic title in those related studies. Again, here you may stress about your conspiracies theories, e.g 99 % academic archaeologist, imperialist, Zionist etc..(it's normal reply considering your state of mind to disqualify other who did not in line with your truth)
If one carefully analyze , in 2005-2005, the same you, with geographical approach, still believe the city of Mecca reside near the town whom lot once lived, which described in AlQur'an and old testament. Amazingly, not more than 5 years since, now you claim to have the undeniable truth.
Some maybe amazed by your attempts to rewrite history with (your) story. Some may find your finding is legitimate, some may not. The evidence you claimed not in some places, also is not in your finding so? talking gibberish??
you often say in this manner "if you ask yemenis they will not give you and answer", or other times, "Arab's scholar know but they are to afraid to say" it's nothing but baseless assumption. It is true however, there are many prophet progeny (from his daughter) resides in Yemen, even here in Indonesia (alaydrus, assegaf, etc). Some even become very respectable guru, sheikh, ulama in Yemen, and you know what, despite what you are saying about yemenis, they are still doing pilgrimage, facing towards to al-kabah in mecca. But, then again you might say might say this Sheikh, Ulama ( whom indirect descendant of prophets) is in the 99 % imperialist who contributed lies rights? D
So it's only your truth will prevail as the truest history human should ever know and should know, it's time to rewrite the history according to your truth as the only truth. in sya Allah your jahil attempts will fail
Anyway , I think it's enough for now. Salam
You are a good one. Historians are God? Is anybody that comes out with a paper title of somehting beyond the need to prove what he says?
You seem to idolize titles, but titles have lied many times whereas persons withou titles have made discoveries and inventions and only afterwards did they get their titles. And there are people with titles which really ar pure decoration.
And you are very condescending, which does not become you unless you really, really are able to bring up even a hundredth of what Pazuzu has already provided in this forum.
Are you annoyed because he does not pander to conspiricy accusers and officialversionists?
I support Pazuzu and his work because if he uses big claims they are supported by his production and as far as I am concerned I am satisfied that he has brought up and out many things that are worth discovering and knowing, but I doubt that when you have come out with your condescending discourse on Pazuzu you knew anything aobut his work.
So may be you should learn that first and then speak.
Salaam
Salaam
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I took the liberty to upload Pazuzu's essays to Dropbox, and post them on twitter, you can get theme there too...
Links
https//twitter.com/inabster/status/581554294073196544
If you are on twitter, you can also follow me, I got quite a few followers now, not all interesting, but nice to spread the word of Monotheism through twitter
http//www.twitter.com/@inabster
Peace
Nabil