Who Was the Pharoah of Moses
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And this was the inteligence gathered information of Firoan
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"Indeed these are a band separated from main group, small in number.His info was absolutely accurate, small in number not thousands and thousands
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Resultantly/for reason none believed for Musa , except young segment from his own nation, for fear that Fir'aoun/Pharaoh and his ruling elite may not put them in liquefying/disquieting trouble.
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And indeed Fir'aoun/Pharaoh was certainly a tyrant and indeed he was certainly from amongst committers of excesses/injustices. -
Dear Pauzu, Peace,
You have much consumed the space of forum just to suggest that Musa alahissalam never lived in Misr-known in English world as Egypt.
Wherever Musa alahissalam lived, there the mention and existence of water streams is the most obvious geographic fact. He, in his life time, also went to a confluence.
And when Musa said for his servant,
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"I will not discontinue until I cross over to the point where two rivers meet admixing even if I may have to continue for long period".
Please do not miss noticing that the confluence mentioned is specific/definite referring only to point location.If he was not in Egypt then you will have to locate him in these areas/confluences
Notable confluencesAllahabad in India, where the sacred rivers Ganges, Yamuna and Saraswati meet. It is one of the holiest places in Hinduism. The confluence itself is called Sangam.
The Ohio River is formed by the confluence of the Monongahela and Allegheny Rivers, located in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
The Madison, Jefferson and Gallatin Rivers in Three Forks, Montana form the confluence of the Missouri River, one of the longest rivers in the United States (2,341 miles (3,767 km)).
Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia, is situated at the confluence of the Gombak River (previously known as Sungai Lumpur, which means muddy river) and the Klang River.
Passau known also as the Dreifl?ssestadt (City of Three Rivers), because the Danube River is joined there by the Inn River from the South, and the Ilz River coming out of the Bavarian Forest to the North.
Manaus, Brazil is located on the Rio Negro near its confluence with the Amazon. It is the chief port and a hub for the region's extensive river system.
Osijek, Croatia is located on the right bank of the river Drava 25 km upstream of its confluence with the Danube.
Belgrade, the capital of Serbia lies at the confluence of the Sava and Danube Rivers.
The Hochelaga Archipelago, including the island and city of Montreal, is located at the confluence of the St. Lawrence River and Ottawa River in Quebec, Canada.
The two largest rivers in Australia, the Darling and the Murray converge at Wentworth, New South Wales
Rovaniemi, the capital of Finnish Lapland and one of the largest towns above the Arctic Circle, is located on the confluence of rivers Ounasjoki and Kemijoki.
Winnipeg, Canada is located at the confluence of the Red River, and the Assiniboine River. The area is referred to as The Forks by locals, and has been an important trade location for over 6000 years.
Triangle of Three Emperors, former tripoint in Europe.
Confluence at Prescott, Wisconsin in the USA where the St. Croix River (Wisconsin?Minnesota) flows into the Mississippi River.
Cairo, Illinois in the USA where the Ohio River flows into the Mississippi River.
St. Louis, Missouri is built just south of the confluence of the Mississippi River and the Missouri River.
Lyon, France is located on the confluence of the Sa?ne and Rhone rivers.
The confluence between the Franklin River and Gordon River in south-western Tasmania
The confluence of the Snake and Columbia River at the Tri-Cities of Washington.
The confluence of the rivers Pivka and Rak is the largest subterranean confluence in Europe.
The confluence at Lokoja, Nigeria, where the Niger and Benue rivers merge.
The Sudanese capital of Khartoum, located at the confluence of the White Nile and the Blue Nile. This merging point is the beginning of the Nile.
Columbus, Ohio in the United States is located at the confluence of the Scioto and Olentangy rivers.
Raymond Terrace, New South Wales
Glenwood Springs, Colorado
Kansas City, Kansas in the United States is located at the confluence of the Missouri and Kaw rivers -
The two seas Musa may have travelled to could be the two seas metting at Gibraltar, the two seas meeting at Bab el mandib, they could whatever one prefers it to be, because places where seas or lakes or lakes and rivers meet abound. And so finally those rivers of Egypt are they anhar or abHar?
Salaam
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Now here comes the delicate part The Quran is telling us that the two parties reached a point where the ywere close enough to gaze upon each other {But when the two groups saw each other, the companions of Moses said "We are caught!"}
HOW THE HELL COULD THEY BE GAZING AT EACH OTHER FROM ACROSS THE RED SEA???
You seem to have all the time to read all nonsense available on net, but no time to see Qur'aan and shout in the above manner, forgetting that Allah says that they were watching their enemies drowining. The last scene of the Exodus is chosen for narrating this episode. Look here they were gazing
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And recall/visualize when We made distinct/emerged , for you, the sea/gulf of Suez , thereby/with this cause We delivered/rescued you keeping safe and above and We caused the drowning of the Pharaoh-folk while you people were watching .Word by Word Analysis
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You seem to have all the time to read all nonsense available on net, but no time to see Qur'aan and shout in the above manner, forgetting that Allah says that they were watching their enemies drowining. The last scene of the Exodus is chosen for narrating this episode. Look here they were gazing
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And recall/visualize when We made distinct/emerged , for you, the sea/gulf of Suez , thereby/with this cause We delivered/rescued you keeping safe and above and We caused the drowning of the Pharaoh-folk while you people were watching .Word by Word Analysis
So here we have a baHr but what we have are is not a river, but the Gulf of Suez...
Salaam
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So here we have a baHr but what we have are is not a river, but the Gulf of Suez...
Salaam
The word is used both for River and Sea . But you have not taken care to see the verb with this word. That verb cannot be used for River. And where Two Rivers is mentioned there it cannot be seas since two seas never admix/become one. While reading Qur'aan do not jump to conclusion by seeing one word in seclusion, see its relations in the sentence.
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I mentioed Nile, it is only one river. Nile delta is one river's silt actually.
Did I say something else about your quote?
- That the area of lower Egypt has a water source that splits into 7 rivers and that Phraoh speaks of "rivers" flowing benath them;
Actually it is only one river...
However, in Qur'aan the word river-rivers has not been used. Streams, canals has been used. For River and Sea the word used is plural ; .
With referemce to Layeth's quote it was said that ; was not used by Pharaoh as is evident from his quote in Qur'aan-4351.
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Peace everyone,
Thanks Noondeplume,
First of all, I take this opportunity to say that I appreciate very much your posts in the forums and I always read them with utmost attention. I am particularly impressed with your work on inheritance, and I have taken the liberty to copy it into my files.
I also appreciate your posts in this thread. It is the greates help to have material like the one you bring up, and even if there is no agreement on the issue, at least one cannot complain that one doesn't learn something new in the process. Thanks for your effort and honesty.
I didn't doubt your word at any moment, I just stated something I had encountered, although, of course, I don't have anything against being a bit more cultured, if a can absorb that, which is questionable.
Concerning this questi?n of the name of the land now called Egypt, I still think that the appearance of the word transliterated "mi-i-" in sumerian language (I guess it is sumerian), doesn't say a thing about how the ancient Egyptians named, with a proper name, their country.
Thanks -- hope you used the latest which it's actually a good thing these types of questions come up like that last thread on Nisa (i.e. women/females 3+) changed the distributions for siblings
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598748.msg287405#msg287405
Thanks to Pazuzu too for bringing it up even though he's wrong learned to decipher a bit those tablets even more entertaining reading their stories and much better than Hollywood movies. lol
Important when reading the letters is they were to and from Egyptians and their neighbors in a common standard script (Semitic language) used to correspond same as parts of chapters 12/18 and Pharaoh's speech is a translation into Arabic for the initial readers of Qur'an.
4351 and called Pharaoh in his nation said O my nation is not to me king MSR/Egypt and these the rivers flow from underneath do they not see?
OK one more example which mentions KUR (land) mi-i-ri and Jerusalem twice?
EA 289 Abdi Hiba of Jerusalem to the king, No. 5
http//prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/labaya_files/labaya.htm
To the king my lord, message from Abdi-Heba, your servant. At the feet of the king my lord I throw myself, seven and seven times. Look, Milki-Ilu does not separate himself from the sons of Lab'aya and the sons of Arzaya, in the desire of the king's land for themselves. A regent who commits a similar act, why does the king not interrogate him? Look, Milki-Ilu and Tagi, the action which they have committed is this, that they took Rubuta. And now Jerusalem if this land belongs to the king, then why ever -- while Gaza remained the king's -- look the land of Ginti-kirmil to Tagi and the men of Ginti are the garrison at Beth-Shean!? Should we do as Lab'aya, who gave Shechem to the enemy {habiru}? Milki-Ilu wrote to Tagi and to the sons "Be men! Give to the men of Qiltu that which they desire! Let us abandon Jerusalem!" The garrison troops that you sent, by the hand of Haya son of Miyare, were taken by Addaya, and he put them in his house at Gaza, and sent twenty men to Egypt. Let the king know that there are no garrison troops with me. So live the king, his nobleman. Pawuru has left me and is at Gaza. May the king remember, with him (Pawuru) before him. May the king send fifty garrison men to protect the land. All the king's land deserted! Send Yanhamu, who knows the land of the king. To the scribe of the king , message of Abdi-Heba your esrvant. Present good words before the king. I would really die for you, I am your servant!
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1 -na LUGAL-ri EN-ia
2 um-ma mIR3-i-ba mIR3-ka-
3 a-na 2 GIR3.ME? EN-ia am-
4 7-ta-a-an u3 7-ta-a-an
5 a-mur mmil-ki-lim la-a i-pa-a-
6 i?-tu DUMU.ME? la-ab-a-ya u3
7 DUMU.ME? ar-sa3-wa a-na e-ri-?i
8 KUR LUGAL-ri a-na ?a-?u-nu
9 LU2 a-zi-a-nu ?a e-pa-a? ip-?a an-ni-wa
10 am-mi-nim LUGAL-ri la-a ?a-al-?u
11 a-mur mmil-ki-lim u3 mta-gi
12 ip-?u ?a e-pu-?u an-ni-wa
13 e-nu-ma la-qi2-?i URU ru-bu-ta.KI
14 u3 i-na-an-na URU u-ru-sa-lim.KI
15 ?um-ma i-ba-a?-?i KUR an-ni-tu
16 a-na LUGAL-ri am-mi-nim <ne> e-nu-ma
17 URU a-za-tiki a-na LUGAL-ri ?a-ak-na-at
18 a-mur KUR URU gin2-ti-ki-ir-mi-il.KI
19 a-na mta-gi u3 LU2.ME? URU gin2-ti.KI
20 ma-ar-tu2 i-na E2-sa-a-ni i-ba-a?-?i
21 u3 lu ni-pu-u?-mi e-nu-ma
22 <DUMU.ME??> mla-ab-a-ya
23 u3 KUR ?a-ak-mi i-din-nu
24 a-na LU2.ME? a-pi2-ri.KI
25 mmil-ki-lim ?a-par a-na ta-gi
26 u3 DUMU.ME? <la-ab-ba-yi> lu-u2 a!-mi-la-tu-nu
27 id-nu-mi gab2-bi e-ri-i?-ti-?u-nu
28 a-na LU2.ME? qi2-il-ti.KI
29 u3 lu-u2 ni-ip-u2-ur URU u-ru-sa-lim.KI
30 LU2.ME? ma-ar-ta5.ME? ?a tu-ma-?e-er
31 i-na ?U ma-ya DUMU mi-ia-re-e
32 la-qe2-mi mad-da-ya ?a-ka-an
33 i-na E2-?u i-na URU a-za-ti.KI
34 20 LU2.ME? a-na KUR mi-i-ri.KI
35 u2-ma-?e-er lu-u2 -te-mi LUGAL-ri
36 ia-a-nu-mi LU2.ME? ma-ar-tu4 LUGAL-ri it-ti-ia
37 ki-na-an-na li-ib-lu-u LUGAL-ri
38 lu-u2 ir-pi2-?u mpu-u2-ru
39 pa-a-ar i-na ma-a-ri-ia
40 i-na URU a-za-ti i-ba-a?-?i
41 u3 li-iz-kur2 LUGAL-ri i-na pa-ni-?u
42 u3 lu-ma-?e-er LUGAL 50 LU2.ME?
43 ma-ar-ta a-na na-a-ar KUR
44 gab2-bi KUR LUGAL-ri pa-a-ra-
45 mu-?e-ra myi-<<i>>-en-a-mu
46 u3 li-te KUR LUGAL-ri
47 a-na LU2 tup2-?ar LUGAL-ri
48 -ma mIR3-i-ba IR3-
49 a-wa-tu2.ME? ba-na-
50 i-din-mi a-na LUGAL-ri ma-at-ti ma-gal
51 a-na ka-ta5 IR3-ka a-na-ku -
Did I say something else about your quote?
With referemce to Layeth's quote it was said that ; was not used by Pharaoh as is evident from his quote in Qur'aan-4351.
You didn't get the point. I'm trying to say that actually there is only one river in Egypt.. it is Nile. Those "so-called" 7 rivers are not "rivers" actually.. They are just extensions of Nile's own silt prior to reach Mediterranean Sea. If someone call something like "rivers" that should be different mainstreams like Euphrates and Tigris. Maybe literally fits but practically ambiguous. I hope it is clear now.
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I'm trying to say that actually there is only one river in Egypt.. it is Nile. Those "so-called" 7 rivers are not "rivers" actually.. They are just extensions of Nile's own silt prior to reach Mediterranean Sea
Exodus...don't trouble yourself. These people wouldn't accept the truth even if it stared them right in the face.
But I will soon expose this fallacy.
The dream of Joseph the Prophet contains another major clue which blows their Egypt theory right out of the water.
The king of the land surrounding "misr" saw a vision in a dream. He saw 7 fat cows being eaten by 7 thin ones. Dreams are symbolic of course. So he sought the help of Joseph (who had been in jail by that time, as he was falsely accused of a crime he didn't commit with the governor's wife). Joseph went on to interpret the dream to the people as a warning that years of drought would eventually come. He told them to start storing some grain for the next 7 years, in order to prepare for the coming drought. After the drought, RAINFALL would come, and the crops would grow again.
Here is what the verse says
{Then after that will come a year in which the people will have abundant rain and which they will be able to produce once again}...
What does this tell us? It tells us that the land where Joseph lived (and where Moses lived after him) DEPENDED ON RAIN for planting crops.
Now the question is Does the Nile Valley need rain for its agriculture? The answer to this question is a resounding NO, it does NOT.
Egypt receives no more than 8 inches of water the whole year on the coastal areas, and less than 2 inches of it in the Nile Valley. This fact is common knowledge to the Egyptians themselves. A first year student of geography will tell you that it only rains for about 7 days a year in Egypt. I met an Egyptian woman online once, who happens to be an agricultural engineer. I rememember a chat session I once had with her, where I asked her about this particular issue, and she confirmed it.
Now of course, if you want proof, you can always go look it up
http//wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_it_doesn%27t_rain_in_Egypt
http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070424225957AAmlYDu
http//socyberty.com/history/ancient-egyptian-agriculture/2/
There are loads of evidence for this fact, staring us in the face.
For thousands of years, Egypt has depended on irrigation of the Nile itself to provide water for the crops growing on its banks. Egypt does not need rain for its agriculture.
In fact, Theodor Noldke, a well known Zionist, once mocked the prophet Muhammad, claiming that there was a glaring geographical innacuracy in the Quran concerning Egyptian agriculture. The following are Noldke's exact words
....The problem with this passage is that Egyptian civilization has never depended on rain for the success of its crops. Egyptian agriculture has always dependeded on the flooding of the Nile for water. Clearly, Muhammad was ignorant of Egypt's geography and climatology and he demonstrates this by associating good harvests with rainfall.
Of course, the ignorant Muslims couldn't defend their "beloved Prophet MUhammad" from the claims of the Zionist swine Noldke. Why is that? Because the Muslims are victims of the same delusion that the rest of the world has believed in for centuries The delusion that the "misr" mentioned in the Quran is none other than Egypt.
Had they known the truth, they would have found the response to that arrogant Zionist swine, who accused Muhamad (P) of ignorance, and told him to shut his mouth, because the EVENTS CONCERNING PROPEHTS JOSEPH (P) AND MOSES (P) DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN EGYPT.
The events took place in a land that depended on RAINWATER for agriculture. A land whose many rivers could dry up if rain stopped for a lehgthy period. A land whose rivers were not permanent like the Nile or the Amazon, or the Euprates. A land that built WELLS to store rainwater - a phenomenon completely alien to Egypt. (This is why we find Joseph in a well at the begining of the story).
The land that Joseph (P) lived in is a land that depended on a type of agriculture which is called, in Arabic . This is a kind of agriculture that takes place on stepped MOUNTAIN SLOPES, and requires abundant rainwater.
Mountains...
I'd like Mazhar and Layth to show me where there are mountains in the Nile Valley.
Dear brother Exodus In teh end, it is matter of PROOF.. Who can present the stronger argument. But it's our duty to show the people of this world that there are hidden facts which they are not aware of, and then we leave it up to them to decide.
Dear Pauzu, Peace,
You have much consumed the space of forum just to suggest that Musa alahissalam never lived in Misr-known in English world as Egypt.
If you are concerned with forum space, don't worry about it. Once I finish this thread, I will immediately delete all the photos and maps.
To Be Continued...
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I'd like Mazhar and Layth to show me where there are mountains in the Nile Valley.
If you are concerned with forum space, don't worry about it. Once I finish this thread, I will immediately delete all the photos and maps.
You keep moving forward throwing here and there utterences in the manner of stupid boastful arrogants under hallucination of knowing some secrets of the universe, but have not attended and responded any post containing quote from Qur'aan.
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Exodus...don't trouble yourself. These people wouldn't accept the truth even if it stared them right in the face.
But I will soon expose this fallacy.
The dream of Joseph the Prophet contains another major clue which blows their Egypt theory right out of the water.
The king of the land surrounding "misr" saw a vision in a dream. He saw 7 fat cows being eaten by 7 thin ones. Dreams are symbolic of course. So he sought the help of Joseph (who had been in jail by that time, as he was falsely accused of a crime he didn't commit with the governor's wife). Joseph went on to interpret the dream to the people as a warning that years of drought would eventually come. He told them to start storing some grain for the next 7 years, in order to prepare for the coming drought. After the drought, RAINFALL would come, and the crops would grow again.
Here is what the verse says
{Then after that will come a year in which the people will have abundant rain and which they will be able to produce once again}...
What does this tell us? It tells us that the land where Joseph lived (and where Moses lived after him) DEPENDED ON RAIN for planting crops.
Now the question is Does the Nile Valley need rain for its agriculture? The answer to this question is a resounding NO, it does NOT.
Egypt receives no more than 8 inches of water the whole year on the coastal areas, and less than 2 inches of it in the Nile Valley. This fact is common knowledge to the Egyptians themselves. A first year student of geography will tell you that it only rains for about 7 days a year in Egypt. I met an Egyptian woman online once, who happens to be an agricultural engineer. I rememember a chat session I once had with her, where I asked her about this particular issue, and she confirmed it.
Now of course, if you want proof, you can always go look it up
http//wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_it_doesn%27t_rain_in_Egypt
http//answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070424225957AAmlYDu
http//socyberty.com/history/ancient-egyptian-agriculture/2/
There are loads of evidence for this fact, staring us in the face.
For thousands of years, Egypt has depended on irrigation of the Nile itself to provide water for the crops growing on its banks. Egypt does not need rain for its agriculture.
In fact, Theodor Noldke, a well known Zionist, once mocked the prophet Muhammad, claiming that there was a glaring geographical innacuracy in the Quran concerning Egyptian agriculture. The following are Noldke's exact words
Of course, the ignorant Muslims couldn't defend their "beloved Prophet MUhammad" from the claims of the Zionist swine Noldke. Why is that? Because the Muslims are victims of the same delusion that the rest of the world has believed in for centuries The delusion that the "misr" mentioned in the Quran is none other than Egypt.
Had they known the truth, they would have found the response to that arrogant Zionist swine, who accused Muhamad (P) of ignorance, and told him to shut his mouth, because the EVENTS CONCERNING PROPEHTS JOSEPH (P) AND MOSES (P) DID NOT TAKE PLACE IN EGYPT.
The events took place in a land that depended on RAINWATER for agriculture. A land whose many rivers could dry up if rain stopped for a lehgthy period. A land whose rivers were not permanent like the Nile or the Amazon, or the Euprates. A land that built WELLS to store rainwater - a phenomenon completely alien to Egypt. (This is why we find Joseph in a well at the begining of the story).
The land that Joseph (P) lived in is a land that depended on a type of agriculture which is called, in Arabic . This is a kind of agriculture that takes place on stepped MOUNTAIN SLOPES, and requires abundant rainwater.
Mountains...
I'd like Mazhar and Layth to show me where there are mountains in the Nile Valley.
Dear brother Exodus In teh end, it is matter of PROOF.. Who can present the stronger argument. But it's our duty to show the people of this world that there are hidden facts which they are not aware of, and then we leave it up to them to decide.
If you are concerned with forum space, don't worry about it. Once I finish this thread, I will immediately delete all the photos and maps.
To Be Continued...
Hello Pazuzu,
Despite that I agree with you about there are differences between agriculture of Egypt and Josep's land but it may not related with rain actually. As I know so far 1249 doesn't mention rain. But I'm not familiar with Arabic expressions.
If it's an expression which calling rain, can you explain that what does it mean "Yughthu An-Nsu Wa Fhi Ya`irna" actually?
My conclusion about Joseph's land is related with calendar. The 7 cows in dream represent 7 years of harvest, which means every harvest separated with years, which means they can't plant whole year, which means it's a seasonal land where there is winter/fall. Traditionally, they have to stock harvest to be safe in winters every year. That's why Joseph is telling to don't eat whole season's harvest next seven years.
These are the facts that I have to put into words simply.
Regards.
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@ Exodus
You mention the word "Yughthu". This is derived from "Ghayth". And the word apperas many times in the Quran in the context of RAIN.
See, for instance
The underlined words "Yunzil al ghayth" , which means "He brings down the rain".
Here's FM's own translation of the verse
{With God is the knowledge regarding the Hour. And He sends down the rain, and He knows what is inside the wombs. No soul knows what it may gain tomorrow, nor does any soul know in which land it will die. God is Knowledgeable, Expert}...
Another example
Again we see the same expression "Yunzil al ghayth".
{And He is the One who sends down the rain after they had despaired, and spreads His mercy. He is the Supporter, the Praiseworthy}...
Then we have the following example which clearly associates "ghayth" with cultivation
{Know that the worldly life is no more than play and distraction and adornments, and boasting among you, and to increase in wealth and children. It is like plants that are supplied by an abundant rain, which appear pleasing to the rejecters. But then they dry-up and turn yellow, and become useless hay. And in the Hereafter there is severe retribution, and forgiveness from God and acceptance. This worldly life is no more than a deceiving enjoyment}...
So although I agree with you that "ghayth" or "igathah" is the general term for "help or aid", however, as you can see, the context of the above verses clearly indicates rain.
So why should we deal with the verses concerning Joseph any differently?
Peace...
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Hello Pazuzu,
Despite that I agree with you about there are differences between agriculture of Egypt and Josep's land but it may not related with rain actually. As I know so far 1249 doesn't mention rain. But I'm not familiar with Arabic expressions.
If it's an expression which calling rain, can you explain that what does it mean "Yughthu An-Nsu Wa Fhi Ya`irna" actually?My conclusion about Joseph's land is related with calendar. The 7 cows in dream represent 7 years of harvest, which means every harvest separated with years, which means they can't plant whole year, which means it's a seasonal land where there is winter/fall. Traditionally, they have to stock harvest to be safe in winters every year. That's why Joseph is telling to don't eat whole season's harvest next seven years.
These are the facts that I have to put into words simply.
Regards.
Surprising and very pleasant. A non Arab comprehending Arabic of Qur'aan so well. There is absolutely no mention of RAIN in the Ayah quoted.
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Afterwards, on expiry of these seven years, seven hard/lean years laden with adverse hard circumstances will come which will consume what you had saved/taken advance measures for those years except leaving a little which you had stored.Note the Arabic words, it does not mean "years without rain" that its opposite or antonym could mean "year of rain".
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Afterwards, on expiry of those seven hard years, there will come a year in which people will be delivered/succoured while they will during that year keep extracting juices/rejoicing"The verb is passive. People is the Proxy subject of the Verb. People suffering hard days, adverse circumstances for long seven years are delivered and succoured.
1243-57
Read about ancient agriculture in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. And find what role Nile played. In ancient stories, one may find the prayers, the ceremonies, of the cry, "Hail o river that comest to give life to Egypt".
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Read about ancient agriculture in Egypt, years of plenty and years of famine. And find what role Nile played. In ancient stories, one may find the prayers, the ceremonies, of the cry, "Hail o river that comest to give life to Egypt".
I already have. I've read TONS about it, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that the Nile River (and not rain) has always been the lifeblood of Egypt. As long as the Nile river flows, they are OK.
I will not say anymore about this subject. In my next post I will go straight to the point, and show you where exactly the "misr" of Joseph and Moses was located, and what it actually looked like.
Peace...
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I can tell you with 100% confidence that the Nile River (and not rain) has always been the lifeblood of Egypt. As long as the Nile river flows, they are OK.
This is exactly what is stated in the reply quoting Ayah 1248 in my last post. So you agree that the hard years and succour year has no relation with rain; and that Egypt did had years of plenty and years of famine without reference to rain.
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The word is used both for River and Sea . But you have not taken care to see the verb with this word. That verb cannot be used for River. And where Two Rivers is mentioned there it cannot be seas since two seas never admix/become one. While reading Qur'aan do not jump to conclusion by seeing one word in seclusion, see its relations in the sentence.
You go off at things which I am not discussing, but miss the point I am trying to make.
If when fir3aun speaks and says that at his feet run anhar, then, either you keep the anhar for everything and call the Nile anhar or you drop them for everything. But not that next time you call the Nile bahr. That is what the Qur'an does, but to call both of them the Nile is your calling not the Qur'an's, and then as a proof you bring in another aya which is not the ones we were dealing with, and bring as a proof the thing precisely that you are trying to prove.
There is nowhere, that I know of, in the whole Qur'an a mention of the Gulf of Swez. You may believe that everything in the Qur'an refers exactly to the bible books and take these as proof for their own faithfulness of the histories it tells, but that does not oblige the Qur'an at all. You insert the Qur'an in the Bible narration as it it was some form of commentary on the Bible and such adscription was guaranteed, but that is preciselyt what is being contested. You speak continuously of the pharao, but no proof is there that fir3aun is the the pharao.
To use the word faraqna to prove that those that meet cannot be any other thing than what you purport baffles me, how does that prove the other? I do not see where you come from nor what you are trying to get at.
Salaam
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There is nowhere, that I know of, in the whole Qur'an a mention of the Gulf of Swez.
Things will keep going over the head unless one thing is remembered that a definite noun refers and points towards only a specific thing which is understood both by the speaker and the addressee/listener.