Inheritance according to Qur?an

Noon_waalqalami

In the same table you say child 1/3 and then say daughter half of 2/3=1/3.

411 the children are together (i.e. mixed ratios) male/s and female/s 2, 3+, 1

we are waiting for you/Mazhar to allocate $120K inheritance since you are smart?
man died leaves parents, wife, 3 children (daughters l-lata wal-uza and manat)

http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

Take my advice. Find time to study about nouns, their gender, and plurality.

2233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
1977 surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring (masculine noun) of
3133 not availed parent about waladihi/offspring (masculine noun) his

Mazhar

411 the children are together (i.e. mixed ratios) male/s and female/s 2, 3+, 1

we are waiting for you/Mazhar to allocate $120K inheritance since you are smart?
man died leaves parents, wife, 3 children (daughters l-lata wal-uza and manat)

http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

2233 not made to suffer mother biwaladiha/in (due to) offspring/child (masculine noun) hers
1977 surely given I wealth wawaladan/and offspring (masculine noun) of
3133 not availed parent about waladihi/offspring (masculine noun) his

In the first sentence there are two females and a male in the Aulaad. Their internal distribution is given. Not the share/fraction of what is left by the deceased parent.

Pl read Para 26-43 and try to rebut any point.

http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

Noon_waalqalami

Pl read Para 26-43 and try to rebut any point.

http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm

rebuttal http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

let me break it down since you're beginner top critique among nonbelievers with marrying 9 year-old and wife beating.
no idea why you wrote inheritance article and you are clueless to allocate simple spouse, parents, and daughters?

according to you walad/son (erroneous!) and daughters are alone (erroneous! numerous contradictions!)

411
if three+ daughters they get 2/3
if no son and parents mother 1/3

already max no clue what to give father!

412
if no son husband 1/2
if no son wife gets 1/4

likewise clueless what to give spouse!

Mazhar

rebuttal http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

let me break it down since you're beginner top critique among nonbelievers with marrying 9 year-old and wife beating.
no idea why you wrote inheritance article and you are clueless to allocate simple spouse, parents, and daughters?

according to you walad/son (erroneous!) and daughters are alone (erroneous! numerous contradictions!)

411
if three+ daughters they get 2/3
if no son and parents mother 1/3

already max no clue what to give father!

412
if no son husband 1/2
if no son wife gets 1/4

likewise clueless what to give spouse!

Only slanders. You have totally exposed yourself that you lack even basic knowledge of Arabic. How sentences are structured to put meanings in them is far beyond your brain. Sorry to note that you do not even know types of noun and still have self assumed to be a scholar on Qur'aan.

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11m.gif

This sentence is beyond your comprehension. You see only words. Sentence is far more than sum total of words. Do you know what type of sentence is this? How many are grammatical units in it? What is its tone.

If you know not these basic things avoid spreading your foolish ideas imagined.

Noon_waalqalami

It's obvious to everyone reading that you are clueless on allocating even basic shares e.g. father and daughter/s?
This thread is on inheritance distributions which you are hijacking advertising dumb article on your website. If you don't like my distributions (it's there for the benefit of others) open your own thread stop hijacking this one go debate these guys who'll tear you to pieces since you lack even basic logic and cannot distribute anything!

http//www.sillyallah.com/2007/11/inheritance-mistake-in-detail-part-1.html

http//www.sillyallah.com/2007/11/inheritance-mistake-in-detail-part-2.html

http//www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

Mazhar

Only slanders. You have totally exposed yourself that you lack even basic knowledge of Arabic. How sentences are structured to put meanings in them is far beyond your brain. Sorry to note that you do not even know types of noun and still have self assumed to be a scholar on Qur'aan.

http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/004.%20An%20Nisa/4.11m.gif

This sentence is beyond your comprehension. You see only words. Sentence is far more than sum total of words. Do you know what type of sentence is this? How many are grammatical units in it? What is its tone.

If you know not these basic things avoid spreading your foolish ideas imagined.

What is hampering to talk about the basic part of the discourse on inheritance. Are you clueless, or afraid that you whole story will fall.

Noon_waalqalami

summary "all cases" shares always equal exactly 1 and never over/under!

411/4176 to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two/females
applies if at least two females are present -- never with only one/female!

https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

ch4v11-12 translation https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

ch4v176 translation https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/JzrV1jWp/inheritance1.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/tCzwm7VW/inheritance2.jpg

13 years since joining this site, only 3 verses!

peace all the best to everyone! peace

Mazhar

Noon, can you move with me step by step. You are at liberty to accept or rebut by evidence NOT by gossip.

Part-I. Definition of inheritance; Arabic Root for semantic domain of inheritance and Roots that collocate

Inheritance is the practice of passing on the property, movable and immovable assets, debts and obligations upon the death of an individual. The concept of inheritance is embedded in Root . Ibn Faris stated

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That it refers to the thing owned by persons which thereafter is turned towards later generation by lineage/kinship and/or for some other reason.

It thus denotes inheritance, transfer of sustenance to heirs called they who inherit (money, property, heritage) as an heir at the death of previous holder. They can be only those who are for the deceased plural noun (three or more) meaning kinsfolk, or beneficiaries for some other reason, like under patronage person (in common parlance adopted son). It stems from Root . According to Ibn Faris its primarily signification is

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That it leads to the perception of nearness; adjacent.

Dear can you deny these facts?

If we proceed logically we can better revisit and evaluate the accuracy of what we have been understanding. Let us learn.

The_Sardar

summary "all cases" shares always equal exactly 1 and never over/under!

411/4176 to the male (i.e. gender) similitude apportion the two/females
applies if at least two females are present -- never with only one/female!

https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg

Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73

ch4v11-12 translation https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73

ch4v176 translation https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/JzrV1jWp/inheritance1.jpg

https//i.postimg.cc/tCzwm7VW/inheritance2.jpg

13 years since joining this site, only 3 verses!

peace all the best to everyone! peace

Salam/Peace Noon, i hope that does not mean you are leaving or something? By the way, i agree with you on this Inheritance issues is due to Hadith involvement of translation.

The_Sardar

Also Noon, these link that uses mistranslation of 411-13 are used to be debunked? Because this thread is about debunking the mistranslation the verses that the mistranslation is due to hadith influence.

Mazhar

Also Noon, these link that uses mistranslation of 411-13 are used to be debunked? Because this thread is about debunking the mistranslation the verses that the mistranslation is due to hadith influence.

Elaborate. where is influence of hadith on translation.

Give separate translations which you think is influenced by hadith.

This hadith mockery is a fraudulent technique to mislead people.

Come with explicit s/

The_Sardar

Elaborate. where is influence of hadith on translation.

Give separate translations which you think is influenced by hadith.

This hadith mockery is a fraudulent technique to mislead people.

Come with explicit s/

I sadly don't remember which hadith it was but i think it was from Bukhari. Like i said i don't remember. Sorry if my answer is not good enough.

EDIT It seems brother Noon did actually mentioned a Hadith in the first page https//sunnah.com/urn/239370

Mazhar

What Noon is thinking as Inheritance that were the opinion of some that has noting relevant to words of Qur'an.

Qur'an nowhere allocates 1/3 of any denominator to a son. This is what Noon avoids to talk about. Qur'an allocates half of inheritance if there is only one female in Aulad.

Qur'an separates the deceased into three categories each exclusive from other.

Noon_waalqalami

EDIT It seems brother Noon did actually mentioned a Hadith in the first page https//sunnah.com/urn/239370

peace, not only hadith -- horrid readings that lead to 100s of contradictions!
e.g. parents, 2 daughters contradiction! husband, 2 daughters contradiction!
ask any scholar in the world and they are clueless to allocate above correctly!

ch4v11 over two (3+) – cannot ever include two!
ch6v18 and he the subjugator over (not equal!) devotees his
ch4v176 exactly two – cannot ever be over two (3+)!

Dr. Mohamad Shahrour is the only scholar that came close
Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

ch4v11 applies only when “mixed” children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc.

in "all cases" the shares always equal exactly 1 and never above/under!

Cairo, National Library qaf 47 one of oldest manuscripts dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/12/handschrift/73
ch4v11-12 translation https//i.postimg.cc/CxFGJC3s/ch4v11-15.jpg

Berlin, State Library ms.or.fol. 4313 (same manuscript) dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/176/handschrift/73
ch4v176 translation https//i.postimg.cc/SxwtPMV1/ch4v172-ch5v2.jpg

children & siblings https//i.postimg.cc/dQZ0cvL2/inheritance-4-11-and-4-176.jpg
children & parents, kalala https//i.postimg.cc/JzrV1jWp/inheritance1.jpg
children & spouses https//i.postimg.cc/tCzwm7VW/inheritance2.jpg

Mazhar

ch4v11 applies only when “mixed” children while single gender i.e. solitary son/s or daughter/s always variable get the remainder after parents and/or spouses; likewise, any sole heir always gets the whole e.g. parent, spouse, offspring/child (son/s, daughter/s), sibling (brother/s, sister/s), etc.

What a stupid resolution?

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

Noon_waalqalami

^^^ still spamming has not figured out to allocate parents, spouse, daughter/s nope

Rules of inheritance - Dr.Mohamad Shahrour (Episode.2)
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFfvjAoRpIk

video made me think of one unresolved question
certain mixed gender children/siblings with 1 male

females multi ratio f/m distributions given 1 male

1 daughter 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 411 and if be she one (daughter) so for her the half (1/2)
2 daughters 2.0x 12 2,1 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 ... 411 to the male similitude apportion the two females
3 daughters 1.5x 23 3,1 2/9, 2/9, 2/9, 1/3 ... 411 so if are womenfolk over two (3+) so for them third dual (2/3)
4 daughters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 daughters 2.5x 25 5,1 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 2/15, 1/3
6 daughters 3.0x 13 6,1 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/9, 1/3

1 sister 1.0x 11 1,1 1/2, 1/2 ... 4176 and to him (said person) sister so for her half (1/2)
2 sisters 1.0x 11 2,1 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 ... 4176 so if be dual two females so to them dual the third each (2/3)
3 sisters 2.0x 12 3,1 1/5, 1/5, 1/5, 2/5 ... 4176 so to the male similitude apportion the two females
4 sisters 2.0x 12 4,1 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/6, 1/3
5 sisters 2.0x 12 5,1 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 1/7, 2/7
6 sisters 2.0x 12 6,1 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/8, 1/4

the question is do above same ratios apply adding more males?
e.g. 1 daughter/sister share equally with any # of sons/brothers?
OR 1 daughter/sister 1/2, 6 sons/brothers 1/2 (1/12 each?)

2 sisters 1/4 (1/8 each), 6 brothers 3/4 (1/8 each)
OR
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each), 6 brothers 1/3 (1/18 each?)

logically the same ratios given do hold when adding more males!

peace!

Mazhar

What a stupid resolution?

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

Just forget superfluous distribution. Do you accept this command or you reject it?

Noon_waalqalami

^^^ 411 where is the instruction what to give 2 solitary daughters, no sons?
4176 where is the instruction what to give 3+ solitary sisters, no brothers?

simple questions he repeatedly refuses to answer continues spamming!
exactly same instructions solitary boys/girls, can only have 1 variable!

1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each), 2/3 two sons (variable 1/3 each)
1/3 parents (fixed 1/6 each), 2/3 two daughters (variable 1/3 each)

the instruction set mixed children ratio fm is given
411 instructed you the god in offspring yours
(case 2 females!) to the male similitude apportion the two females
(case 3+ females!) so if are womenfolk over two females so for them 2/3
(case 1 female!) and if be she one so for her the half (1/2)

this is like teaching preschool children with attention deficit disorder symptoms.

Mazhar

What a stupid resolution?

And if she (your offspring) was one female; then, one-half is allocated for her.

1= 24 equal parts.

According to this sentence of Ayah half went to one female (daughter-Noon calls it walad=child)= 12 parts

Take note; One-sixth of that which he (the deceased son) has left behind is allocated separately for each of his bereaved Father and Mother. This direction is to take effect if solitary child is surviving for him (the deceased).

One sixth to father = 4 parts
one sixth to mother=4 parts.

20 parts went.

However, in case there was child (according to Noon) to grieve for you, thereby, the one-eighth is apportioned for them (bereaved wives) out of that which you have left.

She gets- 3 parts.

Total 23.

To whom will go remaining part 1 and where is its mention dear Noon?

Noon_waalqalami

^^^ clueless rant hijacking the thread with continuous spamming!
411 daughter 1/2 children mixed i.e. son/s present not solitary.
again mazhar simply allocate father daughter?
otherwise stop hijacking the thread!