Question for the people with knowledge
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dobn't pretend to be more dumb than you are he says it doesn't mean every just to save the qur'an from contradiction, in fact i never claimed that min meant every so why does he say that huh? think about it the sardar
I wonder though, why can't min mean some in 1649,? And also please don't go calling people dumb it's not make this better.
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Dude calm down i checked the link that he provided and honestly he did show some good evidence. There is no for anger and if i have misread your posts then i apologize.
he didn't provide evidence, he showed that it can mean a limited part "some", but this is not how a language works ! he is only doing google translate like stuff ! when you translate something with google translator in english class your teacher will probably give you a bad grade !
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he didn't provide evidence, he showed that it can mean a limited part "some", but this is not how a language works ! he is only doing google translate like stuff ! when you translate something with google translator in english class your teacher will probably give you a bad grade !
He doesn't use Google Translator, he uses Lane's Lexicon for his research.
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He doesn't use Google Translator, he uses Lane's Lexicon for his research.
i meant that he provides a link in which one of the meanings is "some of" and proceed to say that he can mean some in 1649 but this is not true because in a language there are RULES that you cannot know just by looking at words in wiktionnarry
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i meant that he provides a link in which one of the meanings is "some of" and proceed to say that he can mean some in 1649 but this is not true because in a language there are RULES that you cannot know just by looking at words in wiktionnarry
But here is the thing, in 1649 the word min () is a preposition, i even checked it myself in http//quranix.org/16#49 & http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=16&verse=49#(16499)
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Now i think i have said before in this disscussion that my arabic knowlegde and arabic grammar is poor so i may be wrong. Let us hear what Noon & Good Logic responses when they are here.
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so what?
Well there is a question that i wanna ask is how min cannot mean some of in 1649?
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Let us hear what Noon
peace -- everything is clearly summarized here
Final note on this " min/of" NEVER means " kulli/every" ...
http//corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=kll#(24453)
2445 and the god creation kulla/every dabbatin/moving creature min/of water so among them entities walked/crawled on belly its and among them entities walked on feet two and among them entities walked on fours created the god what willed indeed the god on kulli/each/every thing supreme
3110 creation of the heavens/skies in other than columns thou seeing it and cast in the land firm peaks an/that shake with you and disperse therein min/of kulli/each dbbatin/moving creature and descends we of mina/from the heaven/sky water so grew we of therein min/from kulli/every zawjin/spouse noble
https//s10.postimg.org/g6cpsmdzd/Ahlwardt_305_ch16v48-61.jpg
Qur'an doesn't run out of words if wants to state kulli/every it would!
2164 ... and disperse therein min/of kulli/every dabbatin
2266 ... therein min/of kulli/every/all (kinds) the fruits
3058 and surely strike we of to the humankind in this the qur?an/recitation min/of kulli/every similitude/example and surely that if came thou them with sign surely sayeth they the ones reject they of not are you except falsifying
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And min/of the humankind are those who comprehend what is written and they not arrogant being
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And min/of the humankind who do not comprehend a thing (personae non gratae )
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so now its not all malaika because its not precised "every "...damn I think you will never run out of hypothesis before the sun dies... nope
wal-malikatu in 1649 is in nominative case, its not about some malaika, a group of malaika, it is about THE malaika. so its not a part of the malaika, its THE malaika, do i have to repeat ten times before you understand?
furthermore WHY would it be only a part of them since before Allah says prostrate whatever on the earth and the heavens, speaking before that even shadows incline... then " a part of some creatures, of what is on the earth and the heaven obey... the rest not.... wow
anyhow it is nominative so its about all of them
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Qur'an doesn't run out of words if wants to state kulli/every it would!
well some quranists from this forum thought so i guess because they said allah told us to put people in prison by using the words cutting their hands. its one or the other, you can't pick both.
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well some quranists from this forum thought so i guess because they said allah told us to put people in prison by using the words cutting their hands. its one or the other, you can't pick both.
Who?
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i already answered to that what do i post if you don't read?
Actually i'm trying to find it but sadly no luck for now.
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anyhow it is nominative so its about all of them
what do damma (nominative), fatha (accusative), and kasra (genitive) have to do with "all" ?
342 345 and when qlati/said l-malikatu/the controllers O maryam
(nominative masculine plural noun -- how many, all the controllers in the universe?)380 and not directed you that take ye of the controllers
(accusative masculine plural noun -- pertains to any and all the controllers!)351 the praise to god originator the heavens and the land made l-malikati/the controllers
(genitive masculine plural noun -- again pertains to all the controllers!) -
what do damma (nominative), fatha (accusative), and kasra (genitive) have to do with "all" ?
342 345 and when qlati/said l-malikatu/the controllers O maryam
(nominative masculine plural noun -- how many, all the controllers in the universe?)380 and not directed you that take ye of the controllers
(accusative masculine plural noun -- pertains to any and all the controllers!)351 the praise to god originator the heavens and the land made l-malikati/the controllers
(genitive masculine plural noun -- again pertains to all the controllers!)Kasra sounds familiar but fatha & damma i have not heard nor know what they mean. Sometimes i curse myself for not learning arabic.
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Noon in 1649 the word d?bbatin () is in feminine definite INDEF genitive noun & waalmala-ikatu () is in masculine plural nominative noun with wa () as the coordinating conjunction and al () as the definite article. Now i sadly don't know what that means so if you could clarify it for me, i would be grateful.
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furthermore WHY would it be only a part of them since before Allah says prostrate whatever on the earth and the heavens, speaking before that even shadows incline... then " a part of some creatures, of what is on the earth and the heaven obey... the rest not.... wow
rotfl I found it ridiculous that there are things that can 'disobey' God..
And among those things who can disobey are puny primate species called 'human'.Well... let's hope that it stopped there... and things which are truly powerful like the Sun or a black hole still obey God.
Imagine if the Sun chooses to 'disobey' and said "I have enough of this!! I'm alone here, I'm quitting this solar system and moving to Alpha Centauri". rotflImagining God as if It was a human, a medieval king to be exact, who issued laws (that can be broken) and command (that can be disobeyed), faced 'rebellion', punished those who disobey His command (such as the Pharaoh) or worse to those who declared war against him (The Kufr) is a distinct characteristics of traditions originated from Middle East region. From Ancient Sumerian, Egyptian, Persians, Israelites up to the Arabs..
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rotfl I found it ridiculous that there are things that can 'disobey' God..
And among those things who can disobey are puny primate species called 'human'.Well... let's hope that it stopped there... and things which are truly powerful like the Sun or a black hole still obey God.
Imagine if the Sun chooses to 'disobey' and said "I have enough of this!! I'm alone here, I'm quitting this solar system and moving to Alpha Centauri". rotflImagining God as if It was a human, a medieval king to be exact, who issued laws (that can be broken) and command (that can be disobeyed), faced 'rebellion', punished those who disobey His command (such as the Pharaoh) or worse to those who declared war against him (The Kufr) is a distinct characteristics of traditions originated from Middle East region. From Ancient Sumerian, Egyptian, Persians, Israelites up to the Arabs..
I noticed that you put disobey in quotation marks, what do you mean't by that brother Jafar.
