Question for the people with knowledge
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A Clean up your toys!!
B No!! I will not clean up my toys! I will not do what you told me to do!!
A >( >( >( >( voodoo voodoo voodoo elektro elektro elektro.........What?
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Ju5 and all,
By the way whats Malaika, whats a Jinn? whats Sujud, Heaven, Hell etc and the question of your contradiction doesn't solve without knowing what are they exactly?
Malaikah includes the celestial and earthly elements that supports human life?
and Jinn are Malaikah in some different form, that always acts against human goodness and are evil?
or Jinns were once Malaikah and taken a new role?
or Jinns not related to Malaikah?Jinn and Malaikah belief is there in all cultures and religions and was not new to Quran and Islam,
should have come from the age old belief of seeing devas and some hidden forces behind all natural and celestial objects and to worship them to get their favors.
Heaven, Hell, Jinn, Human soul etc are still a mystery to us.
Quran just trying to clarify its audience, saying these beings also in control of One God and his command. -
Peace Ju5.
I am now noticing some desperation on your part . You are asking others to check the dictionaries/lexicons that you also have access to and trying to use? Surely you can see they are accurate?
Or are you using some "secret holy dictionary" of your own that is giving you a clear and certain meaning?
The "Min Dabbatin WA malaika"" has rendered your case helpless. Even your false understanding cannot bring a contradiction now.
The only check I see in this thread is you are in "check mate" position.Look brother, if you are satisfied in your mind of your understanding, then ditch Qoran and give yourself a break to pursue some other tasks that can be beneficial to you. Why are you wasting your time discussing it?
Or are you trying to persuade others to leave it too?
Well, so far it has not worked with some and rightly so because your understanding is false as demonstrated to you in this thread.
You have said what you have said and others have given you their take. I guess it should be left to the readers to decide on the contradiction.
I also have concluded what I wanted to say in this thread.
Thank you and everyone else that took part or read this thread.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Ju5.
I am now noticing some desperation on your part . You are asking others to check the dictionaries/lexicons that you also have access to and trying to use? Surely you can see they are accurate?
Or are you using some "secret holy dictionary" of your own that is giving you a clear and certain meaning?
The "Min Dabbatin WA malaika"" has rendered your case helpless. Even your false understanding cannot bring a contradiction now.
The only check I see in this thread is you are in "check mate" position.Look brother, if you are satisfied in your mind of your understanding, then ditch Qoran and give yourself a break to pursue some other tasks that can be beneficial to you. Why are you wasting your time discussing it?
Or are you trying to persuade others to leave it too?
Well, so far it has not worked with some and rightly so because your understanding is false as demonstrated to you in this thread.
You have said what you have said and others have given you their take. I guess it should be left to the readers to decide on the contradiction.
I also have concluded what I wanted to say in this thread.
Thank you and everyone else that took part or read this thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Brother what do think of this?
Noon in 1649 the word d?bbatin (ة is in feminine definite INDEF genitive noun & waalmala-ikatu (ة is in masculine plural nominative noun with wa (و as the coordinating conjunction and al (ا as the definite article. Now i sadly don't know what that means so if you could clarify it for me, i would be grateful.
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Peace Ju5.
I am now noticing some desperation on your part . You are asking others to check the dictionaries/lexicons that you also have access to and trying to use? Surely you can see they are accurate?
Or are you using some "secret holy dictionary" of your own that is giving you a clear and certain meaning?
The "Min Dabbatin WA malaika"" has rendered your case helpless. Even your false understanding cannot bring a contradiction now.
The only check I see in this thread is you are in "check mate" position.Look brother, if you are satisfied in your mind of your understanding, then ditch Qoran and give yourself a break to pursue some other tasks that can be beneficial to you. Why are you wasting your time discussing it?
Or are you trying to persuade others to leave it too?
Well, so far it has not worked with some and rightly so because your understanding is false as demonstrated to you in this thread.
You have said what you have said and others have given you their take. I guess it should be left to the readers to decide on the contradiction.
I also have concluded what I wanted to say in this thread.
Thank you and everyone else that took part or read this thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.I wonder, did he asked that? Just making sure brother Good Logic.
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Peace The Sardar.
I believe he asked you the check here,quotemin CAN NOT mean some in 16 49 why do you believe this guy??? you claim truthfulness but you believe anything without checking !
GOD bless you.
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Peace The Sardar.
I believe he asked you the check here,quotemin CAN NOT mean some in 16 49 why do you believe this guy??? you claim truthfulness but you believe anything without checking !
GOD bless you.
PeaceAnd God bless you too, although i didn't mention anything about truthfulness but i did check the link Noon has provided which is here https//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%85%D9%86
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what do damma (nominative), fatha (accusative), and kasra (genitive) have to do with "all" ?
342 345 and when qlati/said l-malikatu/the controllers O maryam
(nominative masculine plural noun -- how many, all the controllers in the universe?)380 and not directed you that take ye of the controllers
(accusative masculine plural noun -- pertains to any and all the controllers!)351 the praise to god originator the heavens and the land made l-malikati/the controllers
(genitive masculine plural noun -- again pertains to all the controllers!)because it doesn't mention a group, like " the malaika who spoke to maryam", its just" the controllers are not arrogant and fearful", it is a general statement so it can't speak about only a part of them, remember that God id speaking. Do i have to explain every thing? ....
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Peace Ju5.
I am now noticing some desperation on your part . You are asking others to check the dictionaries/lexicons that you also have access to and trying to use? Surely you can see they are accurate?
Or are you using some "secret holy dictionary" of your own that is giving you a clear and certain meaning?
The "Min Dabbatin WA malaika"" has rendered your case helpless. Even your false understanding cannot bring a contradiction now.
The only check I see in this thread is you are in "check mate" position.Look brother, if you are satisfied in your mind of your understanding, then ditch Qoran and give yourself a break to pursue some other tasks that can be beneficial to you. Why are you wasting your time discussing it?
Or are you trying to persuade others to leave it too?
Well, so far it has not worked with some and rightly so because your understanding is false as demonstrated to you in this thread.
You have said what you have said and others have given you their take. I guess it should be left to the readers to decide on the contradiction.
I also have concluded what I wanted to say in this thread.
Thank you and everyone else that took part or read this thread.
GOD bless you.
Peace.what dictionnary are you talking about? i am saying it can't be used as some at the start of the sentence because of arabic. People on this forum believe you can translate things like google translate. You don't translate like that because in a language there a rules that are not written in dictionnaries like wiktionnary. Yes min can speak about a limited number but only in certain conditions, but the naive who think you can translate any word with any meaning because the word CAN mean one of these meanings are fooled by people pretendign to know arabic on this forum. So instead of practicing your lifelong passion of speculation, why don't you ask arabic people? why don't you ask teachers? why don't you actually learn arabic? I don't pretend to be an expert at arabic like some crooks on this forum, but i atleast try to check information, and min can't be used like that, so either the guy i am talking about is a liar, or either he is ignorant enough to believe he can translate a language he doesn't know as it pleases him.
It's too bad that you actually think you demonstrated anything as when i bring arguments to refute yours, you don't answer and choose to ignore them.
The "Min Dabbatin WA malaika"" has rendered your case helpless.
You see? this is one of the many examples showing that you don't read my post. You are responsible for all the sins you are accusing me.
I already told you maybe more than one time, that its not because i did not single out malaika that the verse loses its meanings. This verse could include santa claus or the greeks gods, it wouldn't change the fact that it does also speak about malaika.
Your case if that moving creatures necessarily speaks also about humans and that since human disobey it is a metaphor meaning all things submit to his plan, "willingly or unwillingly". But this is directly cointradictory with the following verse saying malaika (AND DABBATIN IF YOU WANT-I DONT BOTHER) are FEARFUL, DO WHAT THEY ARE COMMANDED, AND ARE NOT ARROGANT.
THESE ARE NOT THE ATTRIBUTES OF BEINGS ACTING AGAINST THEIR WILL OR DISOBEYING . YOUR METAPHOR ARGUMENT IS PURE SPECULATION DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING WHAT ALLAH SAYS OF MALAIKA IN THE GLORIOUS QURAN.If the qur'an is indeed true, then i hope you have high spf solar cream
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what dictionnary are you talking about? i am saying it can't be used as some at the start of the sentence because of arabic. People on this forum believe you can translate things like google translate. You don't translate like that because in a langua
Actually they use classical arabic dictionaries like Lisan Al-Arab, Maqayis al Lughah, Lane's Lexicon and so on an so forth.
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Peace The Sardar.
As far as I understandThe word "Dabbatin" is feminine because there are different types of Dabba
Where as Malaika ,it is only one type so one can say Min Malaika
GOD bless you.
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In this forum non arabic speakers who think they can translate better than arabs themselves for 1400 years glorious.
Why would arabs change the meanings of words even if it doesn't do anything to push sunna ? they tried to make their religion look stupid? or do they actually know arabic unlike you? hmm
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In this forum non arabic speakers who think they can translate better than arabs themselves for 1400 years glorious.
Why would arabs change the meanings of words even if it doesn't do anything to push sunna ? they tried to make their religion look stupid? or do they actually know arabic unlike you? hmm
Which one, classical arabic or modern standard arabic? Because i heard many arabs had some issues understanding Quran. In fact i gonna make a thread asking what is the difference between CSA (Classical Arabic) & MSA (Modern Standard Arabic)
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In this forum non arabic speakers who think they can translate better than arabs themselves for 1400 years glorious.
Do you think Arabs have proprietary rights for Arabic?
Arabic is the language used to convey the message to all of the human race. Anyone can learn this language to receive the message.
Why would arabs change the meanings of words even if it doesn't do anything to push sunna ? they tried to make their religion look stupid? or do they actually know arabic unlike you? hmm
Read some history and see how meaning of the words were changed. It was a game of kings/rulers to control the masses and to satisfy a never ending greed for power and money. To start with just research why Abbassids practically eliminated motazillas? Hope you will find some answers.
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Do you think Arabs have proprietary rights for Arabic?
Arabic is the language used to convey the message to all of the human race. Anyone can learn this language to receive the message.
Read some history and see how meaning of the words were changed. It was a game of kings/rulers to control the masses and to satisfy a never ending greed for power and money. To start with just research why Abbassids practically eliminated motazillas? Hope you will find some answers.
Like Houries for example, check this video made by brother Quran Centric (Joseph Shaer) https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHnkQwb3ZQ
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Do you think Arabs have proprietary rights for Arabic?
Arabic is the language used to convey the message to all of the human race. Anyone can learn this language to receive the message.
Read some history and see how meaning of the words were changed. It was a game of kings/rulers to control the masses and to satisfy a never ending greed for power and money. To start with just research why Abbassids practically eliminated motazillas? Hope you will find some answers.
You are right.
And also anybody can verify without being a genius, simply by verifying, that all languages change meanings of words over time. Not of all words of course but at least of some, be it through usage, adaptation, fashion, contrivance...
In the case of the Qur'an, this can be seen without much difficulty simply by using plain common sense.
Even if qur'anophobes demand that by all means the most nonsensical understanding of the text must necessarily be the authentic meaning of Qur'an, not even that is always possible and some common sense must be displayed to be able to get to the next nonsense. The rule for this kind of reader seems to be The only good Qur'an is the dead Qur'an... Sorry, I meant, the nonsensical Qur'an.
My most heartfelt condolences for the brains of those who demand nonsense from Qur'an. I trust God is looking after them and they are well provided for.
Salaam
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yet 234 and 1649 contradict themselves and there is nothing you can do but invoking metaphors or false arabic, too bad
and you say the old meanings were changed, yet you use often modern arabic to support your claims, when you don't blatantly use false meanings because you don't even use proper arabic as you have no real knowledge of this language
there is no property rights on language
but you are not legitimate to give other meanings to words based on dictionaries as you have no solid arabic knowledge and do gross mistakes yet "parade" ( huruf ) about your newfound interpretations which saves the quran from contradiction and violence
in fact i have a lot ,of arguments against your movement but the more arguments i give, the less you hear them, humans are so wierd, heres another one you question all problematics verses with other translations and interpretations, but you never do this for good verses? if you were right maybe the good verses would actually mean something else? the thing is you are biased . you want to believe.
i hope the last defender of the qur'an good logic will answer to my post this time instead of ignoring or didssmissing it by saying something like i am such a bad person close minded and i do not want to hear...
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yet 234 and 1649 contradict themselves and there is nothing you can do but invoking metaphors or false arabic, too bad
and you say the old meanings were changed, yet you use often modern arabic to support your claims, when you don't blatantly use false meanings because you don't even use proper arabic as you have no real knowledge of this language
there is no property rights on language
Are you sure they are using modern arabic and not classical arabic?
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but you are not legitimate to give other meanings to words based on dictionaries as you have no solid arabic knowledge and do gross mistakes yet "parade" ( huruf ) about your newfound interpretations which saves the quran from contradiction and violence
I am sorry but since when is this about getting legitimacy of giving other meanings?
