homosexuality, the way forward?
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Peace LT,
Again we need to educate ourselves to go beyond this "uncomfortablility" about homosexual sex. I am not saying I approve of homosexual sexual acts but we should not be phobic about it.
The answer is again in the example of Lot's wife. As a woman we cannot accuse her of having been one of the homosexual men of the town/city; and yet she was destroyed in the punishment too.
Why might that have happenned? I think the answer is because she sympathised with the evildoers; she may have been an apologist for the behaviour or even a supporter though she was not one herself.
The stance of the politically correct is something like - "let's stop being homophobic... let's have a 'hug a fag' day this year". Well despite my enlightened state I don't go to the extent of the rabidly PC people.
I agree that we should not be prejudiced without cause against individuals; but that goes without saying - basic human rights dictate that we respect people's rights regardless of any other parameters.
People who PRACTICE homosexuality are actually more guilty of the things you accuse than normally oriented people.
I am not clear on this. Can you elaborate.
How many "Heterosexual pride" groups do you know of?
If you choose to label yourself and put yourself in a class outside of the general community ie. you have been responsible for creating the minority group then you deserve the discriminatory behaviour ignorants will heap on you.
The people who practice homosexuality are distinguishing THEMSELVES apart from others. They are guilty of creating the cause of the prejudice against them in a sense.
They adopt an encapsulated posture choosing to separate themselves from the rest of people by adopting labelss such as 'gay' and 'lifestyle' and 'culture' etc.
I don't think they choose to separate themselves rather it is the prejuidices that pushes them into grouping themselves.
People who practice and label themselves homosexual can be some of the most discriminatory people around. In Sydney the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras committee had a founding group in 1978. Their successes were commemorated in a plaque that hangs in the foyer of their headquarters. Some years ago one of the founding members 'went straight' causing huge tumults in the 'gay community'. Debates raged as to whether the name of this woman (formerly lesbian) should be erased from the founding stone/plaque.
The 'pleasure' aspect of sexuality is what is the driving force for procreation. I can assure you that if sexual intercourse were as mundane as clipping one's nails that mankind may have been extinct already.
I think you have miss the point. It was said that Sex was for Procreation only. I said no, sex is for pleasure that is why woman have a clitoris. We all agree that without the pleasureable aspect of sex procreation would not happen and humanity would have died out.
I must differ. Sex is FOR procreation; the pleasure is a reward or re-inforcer of the behaviour - and that includes the role of the clitoris - in fact you would be aware that the male genitals arise out of the female substrate (we all begin as 'females' prior to genital differentiation). Thus the clitoris is simply the 'phallic' substrate for both sexes and the origin of the majority of the pleasure response.
We all have a mouth and it's for eating. The pleasure we get from eating is not because we eat for that end, but for sustenance.
So having established that the person and the behaviour are separate - should we ever avoid or be phobic towards people based on behaviour?
I say lets go beyond our phobias. It is the fear that stunts our intellectual and spiritual growth. Lets overcome our fears and not reinforce them.
We must use Lot's example and not be the example of Lot's wife. Advise against the behaviour but do not sympathise or support.
Homosexual behaviour is between two consenting adults in the privicy of their bedroom. Should we have the right to peer into the room?
Fine. It's not the bedroom activity that people are focussed upon in my opinion. What any individual does in the privacy of their own homes is something I do not care about.
If people who practice homosexuality kept it in their bedroom and private lives then I think that many people would be less prejudiced against them. In the east most homosexuality is practiced in this way - there is even a tacit acceptance of the rights of these people to live as they wish as long as they are not in your face about it.
There are homosexual singers in Turkey for example that enjoy the support of the public etc.
It's the out in the open displays of evil behaviour that is condemnable. Why have a parade to publicly display and promote homosexuality? Keep it in your private life and fight the behaviour - not be proud of it.
In the end we may differ in the way we see the issue regardless of the back and forth debate. To accept the behaviour as normal is a mistake. We must always censure and speak out against it while respecting the rights of individuals to make their own choices in their lives.
I do not want to see homosexuality paraded as normal. Some say it's biological and exists from birth. Cleft lip is also something from birth - but people do not celebrate it but rather have it treated. So even if this is something that affects these people from an early age, it's something they need to overcome rather than give in to.
Regards.
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I disagree with you. I don't think that homosexuality is a minority. And even if it is, then it must be something like 4951! And I don't trust polls anyway. I think that the majority of people would choose the wrong way if they were given a chance! As a matter of fact we are overrun by homosexuals just check the media!
Try this experiment. You try choosing to be a homosexual? If you can then I will change my view about homosexuality!
I also cannot compare humans with animals, and frankly, humans can be far worse than animals the Quran clearly states that!
Allah does not intend the wrong behavior. If animals are doing something wrong then that is because they are ANIMALS!I was not comparing. I am just telling you that Homosexuality has a biological basis. Yes animals and human are different. We have a Free Will they don't. So whatever animals do can be said to be programmed by the creator. If so why create homosexual animals?
Regards,
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Peace,
Try this experiment. You try choosing to be a homosexual? If you can then I will change my view about homosexuality!
It may not be about choosing to BE homosexual; but it most definately is about choosing to REMAIN homosexual.
These people want to offload the responsibility of this decision by saying it's inherent or genetic. That it is equivalent to being black, or asian etc. But the truth is blacks cannot STOP being black, but homosexuals can most certainly avoid a behaviour that is condemned.
Regards.
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Peace,
Try this experiment. You try choosing to be a homosexual? If you can then I will change my view about homosexuality!
It may not be about choosing to BE homosexual; but it most definately is about choosing to REMAIN homosexual.
You cant choose to be homosexual nor can choose not to remain homosexual.
These people want to offload the responsibility of this decision by saying it's inherent or genetic.
This is unjust. Homosexual are not off loading responsibility but trying to make sense of their sexual orientation...
That it is equivalent to being black, or asian etc. But the truth is blacks cannot STOP being black, but homosexuals can most certainly avoid a behaviour that is condemned.
Just like black and asians have been prejudiced so are the homosexuals. Yes, agreed that homosexual do not have to engage in homosexual acts. So can the heterosexuals. And to truly loving heterosexual sex is not all that important. Some even discarded altogether. But tell me if all homosexuals avoided the sexual act would they still be acceptable to have non physical relations?
Regards,
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Peace,
Peace,
Try this experiment. You try choosing to be a homosexual? If you can then I will change my view about homosexuality!
It may not be about choosing to BE homosexual; but it most definately is about choosing to REMAIN homosexual.
You cant choose to be homosexual nor can choose not to remain homosexual.
The terminology has intruded into the argument again. If you rephrase it you see the error
"You can't choose to be a person who practises homosexuality nor can you choose not to remain a person who practises homosexuality."
which is nonsense. Of course we can choose what behaviour we follow. A drug addict or a smoker argues along similar lines to the homosexual argument. They argue they can't help who they are and what they do.
Is a homosexual (or a smoker) a distinct type of human different from everyone else? Or are we all people who can choose our behaviours?
I believe homosexuality is like smoking or crack addiction. A person needs to put sustained effort into the problem to overcome it.
Just like black and asians have been prejudiced so are the homosexuals. Yes, agreed that homosexual do not have to engage in homosexual acts. So can the heterosexuals. And to truly loving heterosexual sex is not all that important. Some even discarded altogether. But tell me if all homosexuals avoided the sexual act would they still be acceptable to have non physical relations?
Regards,
Again your terminology is intrusive.
"But tell me if all PEOPLE avoided the sexual act would they still be acceptable to have non physical relations?"
When it's worded correctly you can answer that simply for yourself and I'm sure we agree with each other on that.
You must remember that there is no such thing as a distinct homosexual TYPE of human. There are people who are attracted to different things. There are people who like dogs as pets and those who like cats for example. Our preferences may be deeply seated but what is clear is that the behaviour of homosexuality is not acceptable and cannot be supported or condoned. Compromise is not possible.
Regards.
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Peace,
Here is an opinion piece that I agree with. I think people who are sympathising with the so called 'homosexuals' have been sucked in by the incorrect belief that there is some sort of inherent homosexual type of human that is immutable.
This is a view that the recalcitrant practitioners of the behaviour of homosexuality known commonly as 'gay activists' promote through the media and lobbying.
Homosexuality is not biologically determined - latest research
By David van Gend - posted Tuesday, June 08, 2004
The Titanic of Gay Rights, leaving all in its wake, is about to founder on a large and immovable fact.
My concern is not for the glamorous first-class passengers - the prominent doctors and judges - or for the Mardi Gras exhibitionists leering and lurching across the deck - but for the unknown homosexuals down in their lonely cabins feeling sick.
These are the ones who want to stop the ship and get off. The homosexuals who do not want to be homosexual but who are told that change is impossible, and that any talk of change is disloyal to the Gay crew, even mutinous.
The iceberg of clinical fact looming up in the dark is this that homosexuals who want to become heterosexual can and do change, as authoritative medical research has now demonstrated. Given the will, and skilled therapy, there can be an end to the nightmare of same-sex attraction. That is the best news for our heartsick friends down below deck, but it is bad news for the complacent triumphalists of the Gay Titanic.
Bad news for their tall tale that being gay is like being black, an immutable inborn identity. Bad news, in the debate on gay marriage, for their false analogies with apartheid and Aborigines, since blacks cannot stop being blacks, but gays can stop being gay.
Homosexuality emerges in its truer light, not as a minority "genetic identity" but as a complex conditioned behaviour, which can and does change.
As to the exact causes of homosexuality, the medical jury is still out. But the baseless claim, promoted by Justice Michael Kirby and others, that gays are just born that way, is given no support by the American Psychiatric Association. Their Fact Sheet on Sexual Orientation (2000) sums it up "There are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality".
As to the ability for homosexuals to change, late last year a remarkable research paper was published in the Archives of Sexual Behaviour (October 2003) by one of America's senior psychiatrists, Dr Robert Spitzer. Significantly, this was the same Spitzer whose reforming zeal helped delete homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's manual of mental disorders back in 1973. Now he has published a detailed review of "200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual orientation". He writes of his research "Although initially sceptical, in the course of the study, the author became convinced of the possibility of change in some gay men and lesbians."
In his structured analysis of homosexuals who claimed to have changed their orientation through "reparative therapy", he concluded that the therapy had been genuinely effective that "almost all of the participants reported substantial changes in the core aspects of sexual orientation, not merely overt behaviour". Against critics who say that attempts to change sexual orientation can cause emotional harm to homosexuals, he notes "For the participants in our study, there was no evidence of harm".
So our seasick travellers down below in the Titanic can take heart the desire to shake off sexual disorientation can be, in this eminent and gay-friendly doctor's opinion, "a rational, self-directed goal", and for some it can be successful. The enforcers amongst the ship's crew who accuse you of desertion, of "irrational internalised homophobia", are wrong.
To our shame, some of these enforcers are health professionals. To them Spitzer says "Mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has as its goal a change in sexual orientation. Many patients can make a rational choice to work toward developing their heterosexual potential and minimizing their unwanted homosexual attractions."
Spitzer, once a medical darling of the Gay Rights movement, may now have to walk the plank, because his stubborn telling of the clinical truth has political implications.
The success of Gay activism has been due to portraying Gays as a persecuted minority group, identifying with historically persecuted minorities like blacks, women, Jews. This illusion cannot survive Spitzer's findings, that being Gay is a treatable psychological condition like any other, not an inborn identity.
In the current political debate about same-sex marriage, all talk is of persecuted minorities and human rights, while Spitzer's truth of a treatable condition is nowhere to be heard. Gay activist Rodney Croome thinks back to the Aborigines and accuses the Prime Minister, who opposes same-sex marriage, of denying gays "the full humanity of a disadvantaged group".
In The Australian, Former AMA President Dr Kerryn Phelps likewise accused the Prime Minister of "apartheid" against the gay "minority" in denying them marriage rights. But turning from that bogus racial minority model to Spitzer's therapeutic model, we see that gays can in fact marry, and in Spitzer's study many were married - but first they had to become biologically marriageable by successfully reorientating from homosexual to heterosexual.
The titanic illusion of homosexuality as a fixed inborn identity will take time to sink, but Spitzer's therapeutic iceberg will be more liberating than destructive. Below decks are the passengers I care about, and they need to know that it is OK to want to escape the suffering of same-sex attraction, and possible to do so. And our health professionals, who alone can man the life rafts, owe them a duty of care in aiding that escape.
Dr David van Gend is a family doctor in Toowoomba.
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Salaams Lote,
I disagree with you. I don't think that homosexuality is a minority. And even if it is, then it must be something like 4951! And I don't trust polls anyway. I think that the majority of people would choose the wrong way if they were given a chance! As a matter of fact we are overrun by homosexuals just check the media!
Try this experiment. You try choosing to be a homosexual? If you can then I will change my view about homosexuality!
I believe you said this before to another poster here as a challenge!
Homosexuality, as any other evil behaviour, does not start suddenly. It is Evil's job to lead you to it. So if you are a person who follows the straight path then of course you won't become or behave in a homosexual way overnight. The change in you will take place gradually and that is when you allow evil to enter your life and take control. Evil will turn your life upside down but in tiny steps at the beginning, like for example when he makes it ok for you to tell a "white lie" or take, without a permission, a small "sillly" thing that does not belong to you, etc.. Evil's strategy is to pull your leg from the second you allow him in. And that is what Allah warns us from the steps of Evil. And the first step is always a small one, if you pay attention, but the second step is double-dosed and so on until you find yourself doing things you never imagined you would or could do.
So you and I as well as anybody else can become homosexual only by allowing Evil to take control of our lives. After that the (gradual) change in personality and behaviour is only a matter of time.I also cannot compare humans with animals, and frankly, humans can be far worse than animals the Quran clearly states that!
Allah does not intend the wrong behaviour. If animals are doing something wrong then that is because they are ANIMALS!I was not comparing. I am just telling you that Homosexuality has a biological basis. Yes animals and human are different. We have a Free Will they don't. So whatever animals do can be said to be programmed by the creator. If so why create homosexual animals?
Regards,
I don?t think that we, humans, can understand animal behaviour let alone compare it with ours! Animals, plants, bacteria, etc?are still mysteries. The few things we learned about them still puzzle us!
Taj
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Peace Taj and Truth,
I think you two are doing a very good job of doing away with the apologetic, supportive and sympathizing stance that is being displayed here, but you are debating to no end. A person is going to believe and behave as he or she wishes. If a person is going to be gay or sympathize for their cause, then you will not change their minds. They themselves must choose to change. (according to 1311)
On an ending note, I think it to be very bad taste to say that GOD made them that way. Why would GOD punish people in Hell-fire for the evil that they have committed if GOD Himself made them that way?? Why should I be punished if I murder, lie, cheat, steal, sexually perverse, etc. if it's GOD's fault that I was born that way? roll
It is very clear.
Salaam,
Damon.P.S. Taj wrote
Try this experiment. You try choosing to be a homosexual? If you can then I will change my view about homosexuality!
I believe you said this before to another poster here as a challenge!
Yeah, if I recall it was directed to me. You see I chose to ignore it. No rationality to it at all.
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Peace Taj and Truth,
I think you two are doing a very good job of doing away with the apologetic, supportive and sympathizing stance that is being displayed here, but you are debating to no end. A person is going to believe and behave as he or she wishes. If a person is going to be gay or sympathize for their cause, then you will not change their minds. They themselves must choose to change. (according to 1311)You think that this about apologetic is it? No damon. This about educating ourselves to see individuals beyond their sexuality. This about removing our "phobia" of something that is a fact of life. Phobias can only be overcome through knowledge and understanding. No one is trying to compromise or sympathise but trying to understand this problem so that they can better deal with it. I have tried my best to make you overcome your fears but I think you will have to deal with your fears in your own way...and thats ok too. But never see this as apologitic debate about homosexuality.
On an ending note, I think it to be very bad taste to say that GOD made them that way. Why would GOD punish people in Hell-fire for the evil that they have committed if GOD Himself made them that way?? Why should I be punished if I murder, lie, cheat, steal, sexually perverse, etc. if it's GOD's fault that I was born that way? roll
It is very clear.Obviously this topic bothers you a lot. You have decided to post again after having said you have withdrawn from this debate. Look Damon no one is pushing a sympathetic agenda for homosexuals here. Everyone is trying to come to an understanding of the issue so that they can move on. Phobias can only be dealt by knowledge and understanding....
How is it bad taste to say God created them that way? There are masses of research which has indicated the biological basis for homosexuality including countless personal testimony of individuals who have said that they have born in this way to be attracted to same sex. Should we ignore all this research evidence?
Here are some research findings
It is reported that upto 70% of woman have a bisexual tendencies.
It is also reported that those individuals who denounce homosexuality vehemently have also shown to be latent homosexuality within themselves.
Women are more comfortable with homosexuality than men. Why is that ?
Anyway I have made my views clear. I stand for non-homophobic stance on this issue...and let God decide and judge on homosexuality...let us not do the judging ourselves but try to accept invdividuals as they are and not how we want them to be...
Regards,
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Peace,
It's true, homosexuality can be down to the genes and hormones. The Kebab Monster can probably tell us more on this...
Nural
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ahoy hoy
well this certainly cooked up debate, on the main part im glad to see the open mindedness and respectfull approach taken to the subject but i cant help but be dissapointed by the arrogance displayed by a few, homophobia is so unbelievably ridiculous, and overwhelmingly arrogant that it has no place within society.
To the criticisms made by people sujjesting i may be homosexual and to the idiot who was raising an eyebrow at me studying homosexuality, what can i say really? to all the people who do fecal studies as one of their core biology topics at university, lets all raise eyebrows at the prospect of them being lumps of feaces roaming cyberspace
on another note, just to clear up, i dont believe in quran alone and i dont follow islam in anyway, although i do beleive the quran to be a special book, i dont follow any religion, im on a personal journey to understand life through my own experiances
toodles
the kebab monster
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Peace LT,
There's no such thing as a 'homo' or 'homosexual'. It is not a noun and there are NO accepted biological markers etc. for being a 'homo'.
Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOUR; and it is wrong behaviour. If you argue otherwise then I would suggest that you MUST SUPPORT people who wish to practice consenting incest, or polygamy.
Why are western countries so opposed to polygamy for example? Why not allow a man to have 4 or 100 wives for that matter. Why are polygamous mormons in America so hotly pursued and persecuted though they do nothing wrong to society as a whole?
You must realise that human values are shaped and moulded by forces that may not be easily visible. The 'gay-rights' movement is an insidious political force with a growing voice, which is successfully converting societies into modern versions of Sodom.
The behaviour is clearly unnatural and condemned by God - but that is something that I believe God has dispensation over. The real issue is the soft-stance and acceptance of this as normal.
The position of Lot's wife. The one who lagged behind.
Regards.
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Peace All,
I am actually a bit torn on this issue. On the one hand, I can see that homosexuality certainly serves no biological purpose. It is a dead end cycle. It is also clear from the Qur'an that the only righteous sexual relationship is the one that involves a man and a woman who are married.
On the other hand, we are frequently reminded in the Qur'an to witness nature, and in nature, one can witness two males involved in sexual intercourse. Now animals do not have free will so this action must be based on instinct. It is evident that the male sex drive is certainly one of the most powerful driving forces in nature, often superceding the need for survival. So what happens to males in heat when there are no females around?
In the same regard, however, animals do many things that we, as humans, have the will to overcome, such as random murder, theft, etc. However, we humans still partake in these events. But society has set boundaries to limit the scope of these events by means of punishment and general disdain for such acts.
I feel the question must be posed, then, that what level of crime do we consider a homosexual act? It cannot be considered the same as rape, or murder, or theft, or child endangerment, since the act is consentual.
In addition, morally, it can only be considered wrong with religion as the backdrop. Two consenting homosexuals see nothing wrong with their actions. If I was to look at the bright side, I can see that since homosexual couples are often eager to adopt children, it may be better for orphans to be raised in a homosexual home than in state-sponsored centers, although I'm not so sure.
So what is the real problem?
How does homosexuality effect me negatively?In all honesty, I can offer no answer. Personally, I've always been a "to each his own" kinda guy. However, in this case, I think we need to think about the collective effect, and not the personal effect. I think the fact that society embraces and often encourages homosexuality does in fact drag down the potential of society. What I mean is that this encouragement opens the door to complacency and lack of accountability. It allows people to live with their desires as natural, essentially propelling the cycle forward, rather than looking for possible causes that create these effects, which would simmer the progress.
I view homosexuality as a disorder that may or may not be treatable. I don't think it should be encouraged, but I also don't think it should be cause for ostracism. I think it should be looked at on a case by case basis, with each individual contemplating his or her own spiritual evolution and the effects their upbringings/environments may have played in fostering these desires.
Just as anger management seeks to rectify the root of the anger, so should there exist an entity that seeks to rectify the root of homosexuality.
Just my humble two cents.
peace,
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Peace,
The causation of homosexuality is complex but it is a behaviour that is adopted and practised in adulthood. I think of it like smoking. A person who smokes can leave it at any time if they wished but they choose to continue. The majority of smokers who are asked if they would like to stop would say yes, but they don't nevertheless despite knowing the harms.
Whether a similar survey has been done on a large group of homosexuality practising people I don't know; but I have witnessed individuals who have stated that they wished they did not have the homosexual attraction. That in itself is telling.
How many people who are heterosexual in orientation do you hear lamenting the fact they are heterosexual? How many people who don't smoke do you see lamenting that fact?
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Hello Truth,
There's no such thing as a 'homo' or 'homosexual'. It is not a noun and there are NO accepted biological markers etc. for being a 'homo'.
There are enough research evidence to suggest homosexuality has a biological basis. It is true scientist have not yet identified the "gay" gene in the DNA but there is enough data to conclude that origins of homosexuality has a genetic origin. This may turn out to be incorrect but we can wait and see...
Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOUR; and it is wrong behaviour. If you argue otherwise then I would suggest that you MUST SUPPORT people who wish to practice consenting incest, or polygamy.
It is the biology of the individuals leads to that behaviour.
If you argue otherwise then I would suggest that you MUST SUPPORT people who wish to practice consenting incest, or polygamy.
This is nonsensical argument. I do not approve of Death Penalty. Does that man I support Criminality and murder?
"...MUST SUPPORT people who wish to practice consenting incest, or polygamy..."
How they related to homosexuality? Homosexuality is the struggle to come to terms to term with one's sexual orientation polygamy is not.
Why are western countries so opposed to polygamy for example? Why not allow a man to have 4 or 100 wives for that matter.
Because western societies are societies of Individuals. They champion the cause of Individuality and Individual liberty. If individuals choose to have hundred women surrounding them and the women choose it too then no one has problem with that. Do you?
Why are polygamous mormons in America so hotly pursued and persecuted though they do nothing wrong to society as a whole?
I think they are pursued has more to do with underage marriages.
You must realise that human values are shaped and moulded by forces that may not be easily visible. The 'gay-rights' movement is an insidious political force with a growing voice, which is successfully converting societies into modern versions of Sodom.
That is the fear isn't it? Thats the crux of the matter! The insiduous fear of the sodomites. We need to overcome this fear, Truth. This is our goal. I do not personally approve of things like Gay Pride or Mardi Gras, I think they reinforce our sodomite fears but I know why they happen. It is the prejuidice that creates these things. Just like racism created the Black Power movement...
The behaviour is clearly unnatural and condemned by God - but that is something that I believe God has dispensation over. The real issue is the soft-stance and acceptance of this as normal.
We all know it is "unnatural" but our aim is understand it and live with this fact and move on...no one accepting homosexuality as normal. By understanding this we overcome our phobias...
Regards,
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Salaams Lote,
We all know it is "unnatural" but our aim is understand it and live with this fact and move on...no one accepting homosexuality as normal. By understanding this we overcome our phobias...
You keep talking about phobia! What phobia? You want the normal society that reproduced you to accept such "unnatural" bahaviour? Why?
We know that Evil is here and there and everywhere, so? Do you want us to embrace Evil and welcome it in our homes and allow it to run our lives so that you be satisfied? Is that understanding to you? Homosexuality will not stop at just couples! Homosexuals are buying "adopting" children because they want to have normal families!!! -
Peace
Allow me to add. Firstly there are so many interresting subjects i cannot fathom why this get so much attention. Second, all society's that at some point accepted homosexuality as normal behaviour was destroyed, or vanished. And im not even going to give you details, look at history, pompei is a fitting example. The argument that God created HS's like they are is ridiculous, because in the same breath of air he created pedophiles, rapists, murdereres, or did all of them have a choice. And impulse on wich they could react or not. Ofcourse they have a choice, we all have. Just like i chose not to have sex untill im married. Its all choices.
Does that mean that i hate or condemn HS's? No not at all. Im not uncomfortable around them at all, i think they do something wrong but keep it to myself, no reason to make them feel miserable. Only if they want to accept "The system" i tell them, you cant. Either youre HS, or you live by the system, no both ways.
I get uncomfortable when they flash their sexuality at parades, the same way i would if heterosexuals did the same thing. Worshippping sex is an ancient thing and always lead to trouble and penis worship. and thats really bad news.Regards
Noah -
To the criticisms made by people sujjesting i may be homosexual and to the idiot who was raising an eyebrow at me studying homosexuality, what can i say really? to all the people who do fecal studies as one of their core biology topics at university, lets all raise eyebrows at the prospect of them being lumps of feaces roaming cyberspace
Peace kebab monster,
Sorry if my post offends you in any way. I didn't mean to patronize or anything. I was just curious what kind of study you are doing on homosexuals (I'm a science student so I'm curious about people doing research, so I assume you might be doing systematic research on homosexuals)--I don't mean to question your motives or cast suspicion on you.
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You keep talking about phobia! What phobia? You want the normal society that reproduced you to accept such "unnatural" bahaviour? Why?
OK. What do you want us to do about homosexuals?
Regards,
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Does that mean that i hate or condemn HS's? No not at all. Im not uncomfortable around them at all, i think they do something wrong but keep it to myself, no reason to make them feel miserable.
Thats great. That make four of us so far on this forum! -)
I get uncomfortable when they flash their sexuality at parades, the same way i would if heterosexuals did the same thing. Worshippping sex is an ancient thing and always lead to trouble and penis worship. and thats really bad news.
I do not get uncomfortable regarding Gay parades. I don't watch them, they don't interest me at all -) I think this kind of parades are counter productive. Instead of overcoming prejuidices they can reinforce them...
Regards,