Marrying someone of the same sex?
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Peace
In the quran I think it is clearly defined that marriage is between a man and a woman. Otherwise it is not a marriage, but a farce. If you marry a man who you thought was a woman I believe such a marriage is null, void.
Peace The Nabi,
http//www.usc.edu/schools/annenberg/asc/projects/comm544/library/images/527tn.jpg
The individual on the above picture claims to be a woman (it's, what scientists call, a hermaphrodite), but does she also look like a woman? She has two genitals a penis and a vagina. Some of us will refer to her as a 'he', simply because the outside looks like a man, but she already made up her mind and refers to herself as a 'female'.
A hermaphrodite is another matter and whichever sex they choose to be is invariably up to them since it is a valid choice if they want to keep their female or male organs.
"I will mislead them, I will entice them, I will command them to (forbid the eating of certain meats by) marking the ears of livestock, and I will command them to distort the creation of GOD." Anyone who accepts the devil as a lord, instead of GOD, has incurred a profound loss."
Most people who follow this Scripture, the Quran, claim that the above verse tells the believers to not practice plastic surgery, because it's a distortion of the creation of the Almighty. What's the difference between allowing a hermaphrodite to "correct" things on it's body and a transsexual doing the same? To me it seems that both have a mental problem that they want to get "fixed". If you simply don't feel at "home" in your body and your soul get's therefore "sick" (i.e. mentally ill) shouldn't the Almighty already have foreseen that and made a 'law/rule' for it? I simply can't and won't believe that the Almighty prohibits a sex operation. We're too focused on the outside! We have to look deeper and not only nurse/take care of people's bodies, but also their souls.
How do you people interpret the above verse? Please read the whole chapter before responding and then tell me if it really refers to plastic surgery.
Just sharing my thoughts, hope you guys will do the same.
peace
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This kind of surgery would be anything but "destortion", unless we also call surgery on cleft lips a destortion. The only "destortion" I can think of is circumcision, especially females' where, in the extreme cases, the genitals are reduced to a mere opening like a second anus.
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This kind of surgery would be anything but "destortion", unless we also call surgery on cleft lips a destortion. The only "destortion" I can think of is circumcision, especially females' where, in the extreme cases, the genitals are reduced to a mere opening like a second anus.
Salam.
That is disgusting and horrible.
May The God forgives us our sins and guides us to the straight path.Peace.
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This kind of surgery would be anything but "destortion", unless we also call surgery on cleft lips a destortion. The only "destortion" I can think of is circumcision, especially females' where, in the extreme cases, the genitals are reduced to a mere opening like a second anus.
Yes, there is a difference between distortion and correction.
But sex-change operations, how on Earth can they be considered "correction"? What if I grow up with a lust for murder/blood, does that mean I go and get a vampire change operation?
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Yes, there is a difference between distortion and correction.
But sex-change operations, how on Earth can they be considered "correction"? What if I grow up with a lust for murder/blood, does that mean I go and get a vampire change operation?
Who is the vampire in your analogy and who is the human? The female or the male? And what lust are you talking about?
What about siamese twins? or someone borne with three legs? Will you accept that they get seperated or not? It's the same with hermaphrodites fused twins, a male and a female -
Who is the vampire in your analogy and who is the human? The female or the male? And what lust are you talking about?
What about siamese twins? or someone borne with three legs? Will you accept that they get seperated or not? It's the same with hermaphrodites fused twins, a male and a femaleI mean transexuals who show it very late into life - 30 years or so.
I'm not talking about deformation, I think that is self-evident.
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I mean transexuals who show it very late into life - 30 years or so.
I'm not talking about deformation, I think that is self-evident.
Ok; I was commenting on the post by Latifah on heramphrodites.
About your post/s
Also, happening late in life does not mean it is not genetic/disease. Many gentic/hereditory ailments show late in life.If you believe that it is lust; unacceptable; etc...don't you think that if someone feels it is normal there must really be something wrong with them?
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Ok; I was commenting on the post by Latifah on heramphrodites.
About your post/s
Also, happening late in life does not mean it is not genetic/disease. Many gentic/hereditory ailments show late in life.If you believe that it is lust; unacceptable; etc...don't you think that if someone feels it is normal there must really be something wrong with them?
I'm concerned purely with lust. Homosexuals are more lustful than heterosexuals (of course, there aren't many such people to base this on as compared to heterosexuals). Especially males http//www.wpaag.org/Homosexuals%20and%20Same%20Sex%20Marriage.htm - This reflects a disease in their hearts.
Again, I hold it self-evident that whatever someone is born with, they must deal with that.
Some of the sources are obviously biased but
http//www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=17458 - Gay males extremely promiscuous
http//www.jeramyt.org/gay/gayhealth.html - Homosexuals are not promiscuous
http//www.nydailynews.com/news/2005/02/25/2005-02-25_superhiv_man_had_sex_binge_with_100.html - Super HIV!!!
http//brainmind.com/Homophobia.html -Very good article, it's neutral
Notable quote from there
As noted above, "homosexual" actions among monkeys, apes, and dogs, also often result or are a consequence of violence and are a function of attempts to achieve dominance rather than sex. Similarly, male homosexual overtures, although perceived as sexual by fellow homosexuals, are often not responded to as such by heterosexual males, many of whom react aversively or aggressively when subject to such attentions. In this regard, it is likely that homosexual overtures are often not perceived by heterosexual males as sexual per se, but as an attempts to achieve dominance or to behave submissively. That is, such behavior may well be perceived as an aggressive attempt to demean and humiliate, or as an invitation to assume dominance over the homosexual via sexual mounting or violent aggressiveness in which case the homosexual may be attacked (Joseph, 1993). As such, homosexual actions sometimes invite attack, a consequence, perhaps, of not only the dominance submissive aspect of the relationship, but the sexual discomfort some heterosexual males may experience when solicited.
Also
In a recent series of MRI studies, it was demonstrated that the orbital frontal lobes of heterosexual males reacts to female faces, where the homosexual and female orbital frontal lobes react to male faces.
I wonder if this is developled environmentally. Perhaps they could compare a few thousand children from San Francisco and assess them 20-30 years later
Also, I think it's time to change our common perception of "the soul", this article shows clearly that "the soul" can easily be affected, shaped and weathered by material changes.
http//www.oogachaga.com/downloads/homophobia_and_homosexual_arousal.pdf - This is exceedingly funny. It lends credence to the "homophobics are hiding" rumour. Small sample size though, 35+29 men.
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OPF trans-sexuals are different from homosexuals
Homosexuals stay as they are whether a man or a woman; trans-sexual are confused by their gender male or female?hs are not concerened with sex change or any operation; whereas ts are they want to be what they feel they are.
Imagine yourself as you feel now, but with breasts! (I suppose you are male). What would you do? Remove them or buy a bra?
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Angle grinder.
Again, people born that way are not my business. I have issues with lusty pricks (pun possibly intended) spreading disease, and fecal matter.
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Peace
Angle grinder.
Again, people born that way are not my business. I have issues with lusty pricks (pun possibly intended) spreading disease, and fecal matter.
Its not only Homosexuals that do that. People make it sound like AIDS come from gays. Matter of fact, based on statistics, blacks have the highest amount of AIDS. We shouldn't marry/like Black people now?
Peace
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Peace
Its not only Homosexuals that do that. People make it sound like AIDS come from gays. Matter of fact, based on statistics, blacks have the highest amount of AIDS. We shouldn't marry/like Black people now?
Peace
And black people happen to be the poorest and most violent people too. Your point?
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Peace
And black people happen to be the poorest and most violent people too. Your point?
What I am saying is that you are making it sound like Homosexuals are the only ones that have anal sex and spread disease and that no one else does it. AIDS is not based on homosexuals and neither is anal sex. Also, who says all homosexuals have anal sex?
Peace
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Angel wrote
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AngelThere is no Ayat in Quran which prohibits us to drink Urine? or is there any?
there is no verse prohibiting that because it can be used as an effective medicine for certain conditions.
Oh! so how does it tastes dear Angel? I know of Ex-Prime Minister Marar G Desai drinking it and enjoying it, I have watched some pornographic movies in which they drink it, but it is good for health! was just revealed to me VIA the ANGEL!
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no my friend they are not enough.
A transsexual has had a sex change, they are not the same gender.
This statement of yours is not clear can you explain it further.
Once had a sex change so either he is a guy or she is a girl, so the Ayats below clearly tells us about that.
It is a rare chance that some one born in this state does not have a sex change, and in case if does not, very little chance some one is going to marry with him/her, not at least me, not because of religous point of view but, well.........
Then if this is your personal case then we can do Ijtehaad and decide about it as is allowed by Quran, this clearly debunks the claim of one of the Poster that "Quran does not provides details and is word of Human".And the two women who commit lewdness, you shall bring four witnesses over them from amongst you; if they bear witness, then you shall restrict them in the homes until death takes them, or God makes for them a way out.
If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful
"You come to men with desire instead of women; you are a transgressing people."
"You are approaching the men out of lust instead of the women! No, you are an ignorant people!"
These Ayats are very very clear,
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Angel wrote
Oh! so how does it tastes dear Angel? I know of Ex-Prime Minister Marar G Desai drinking it and enjoying it, I have watched some pornographic movies in which they drink it, but it is good for health! was just revealed to me VIA the ANGEL!hehehe what's with the temper?
i take it that u have never heard of "urine therapy", tiz the various applications of human urine for medicinal or cosmetic purposes. A practitioner of urine therapy is sometimes called a uropath.
3 words DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
As for the topic about transsexuals giveup
if you believe it is a sin to marry heramphrodites then quote the verse.
my views are obviously too librel for your liking. ignore
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Once had a sex change so either he is a guy or she is a girl, so the Ayats below clearly tells us about that.
It is a rare chance that some one born in this state does not have a sex change, and in case if does not, very little chance some one is going to marry with him/her, not at least me, not because of religous point of view but, well....
The subject of transexuals and hermophrodites is highly complex and controversial. As important as it is, the Quran does not touch upon these subjects and certain ayats may only be applicable to these species ONLY AFTER undergoing a change. The same is true for conjoined twins, a troublesome subject.And the two women who commit lewdness, you shall bring four witnesses over them from amongst you; if they bear witness, then you shall restrict them in the homes until death takes them, or God makes for them a way out.
If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for God is Oft-returning, Most Merciful
"You come to men with desire instead of women; you are a transgressing people."
"You are approaching the men out of lust instead of the women! No, you are an ignorant people!"
These Ayats are very very clear,
I would believe that such lewdness is apparent throughout the world including Muslim countries and the ayats above become oblivious and obviously meaningless to transexuals, hermaphrodites and conjoined species. -
The subject of transexuals and hermophrodites is highly complex and controversial. As important as it is, the Quran does not touch upon these subjects and certain ayats may only be applicable to these species ONLY AFTER undergoing a change. The same is true for conjoined twins, a troublesome subject.
I would believe that such lewdness is apparent throughout the world including Muslim countries and the ayats above become oblivious and obviously meaningless to transexuals, hermaphrodites and conjoined species.The ayat have no relation to "transexuals, hermaphrodites and conjoined species", because "transexuals, hermaphrodites and conjoined species" are not discreteley male or female as there, and they are naturally born that way in any case.
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That is a good point and I never thought about that.
Here's another thought, amuslim. Religionists always seem to correct/mend "God's words" and His miscalculated creation as appropriately redeemed by man himself. You see, since the transexuals, hermophrodites and the conjoined species are humans, naturally born and as important as they are, then it is imperative for an Omniscient, Omnipresent and The Most Gracious to have at least mentioned something about them in man's supposedly FINAL "holy book" for ALL TIMES, wouldn't you rationalize? ??? Just some thoughts and a discussion here folks, nothing personal?