Marrying someone of the same sex?
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Peace,
Is sodomy even outlawed in the Quran? Be it male-male, female-male, female-female?
Peace,
I don't think I addressed this last time.
The issue is, those deeds resulting in STD transmission/origination are prohibited in the Quran, hence no public/casual sex out of marriage, and here, no homosexual lewdness. It does not matter whether not all homosexuals have anal sex, the fact remains that a disproportionate amount do, are highly promiscuous and spread STDs.
I personally am not in favour of anal sex as the anal cavity is not designed for sex, be it male or female. The tissues can easily be broken and infections, etc. can start. Also the bacteria there as discussed already.
What if they do not engage in sodomy? Theres other sexual activities that they can do. Would you change your mind if that was the case? What about a sex change (or is that a different subject for you)?
Peace
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Peace all
a) so if homosexuals are engaging in anal sex in private then? Which most presumably do
b) so i'm right by default? ;D j/k
c) you are right
A) Spying is forbidden in 4912, hence it's none of our business. Also, 2427 means no breaking and entering. So the only way that they could be punished is by their own admittance, directly and willingly, or indirectly. Either way, it will be public. How do you know half the people who you see on the streets don't cover themselves in fecal matter in the privacy of their own homes?
B) Very subjective, probably true, but how will it be proven?
Peace,
Is sodomy even outlawed in the Quran? Be it male-male, female-male, female-female?
I personally am not in favour of anal sex as the anal cavity is not designed for sex, be it male or female. The tissues can easily be broken and infections, etc. can start. Also the bacteria there as discussed already.
What if they do not engage in sodomy? Theres other sexual activities that they can do. Would you change your mind if that was the case? What about a sex change (or is that a different subject for you)?
Peace
A) Where is sodomy actually prohibited in the Quran? Is it not homosexuality for both men and women that is forbidden? Female-male? Female-female?
B) The Quranic decree is there, and I'll follow that. No changing of minds.
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Peace
A) Where is sodomy actually prohibited in the Quran? Is it not homosexuality for both men and women that is forbidden? Female-male? Female-female? o
B) The Quranic decree is there, and I'll follow that. No changing of minds.
What I meant was sodomy, the act itself, whether it be with heterosexuals or homosexuals.
So a sex change is wrong in your eyes? Not trying to push the subject, Im just not clear one what you meant.
Peace
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If sodomy isn't forbidden, why bring it up? It isn't sodomy that causes STD spreading, it's promiscuity, sodomy simply aggravates it.
Sex changes, I don't know. 4119.
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If sodomy isn't forbidden, why bring it up? It isn't sodomy that causes STD spreading, it's promiscuity, sodomy simply aggravates it.
Sex changes, I don't know. 4119.
Thats why I was asking, I wasnt sure if it was or wasnt. I know that Hadith says you shouldnt
he Prophet (saw) said, "Allaah will not look at a person (with pleasure) who commits sodomy with a man or a woman" (Sahih al-Jami # 767Just not sure if it is laid out in Quran. I dont think so, but just thought Id ask. I agree with promiscuity which is why I think we should impose shariah on that matter. Innocent people could get locked with AIDS or other things without knowing.
As far as 4119 goes, I can see how it could be read that way. At the same time, theres people with cleft lips and such and if they get surgery they would be distorting what God had created as well, so Im not really sure on that matter either.
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iam so suprised that people who profess to follow the Quran can even ask these questions. I have been following this thread for quite some time now but it seems we really need to read the Quran again and when we do, accept it as a guide. Sex change is clearly not one of God's ways God does not forget , so it is not a case of him forgetting and misplacing the sexes (or rather his orientation). and as for the act who ever wishes can go ahead but let him know he follows but his own lust.
peace to all
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Peace
iam so suprised that people who profess to follow the Quran can even ask these questions. I have been following this thread for quite some time now but it seems we really need to read the Quran again and when we do, accept it as a guide. Sex change is clearly not one of God's ways God does not forget , so it is not a case of him forgetting and misplacing the sexes (or rather his orientation). and as for the act who ever wishes can go ahead but let him know he follows but his own lust.
peace to all
Im sure that other Muslims could say the same about your beliefs, whether you are a Sunni/Quran Alone/etc. If someone has a question, it should be brought forth. You have to keep in mind that interpretation of the verse by one person isnt exactly the same as someone elses.
I can easily say that the Quran is against Homosexuality, Sex Change, etc. but Im trying to keep an open mind here and delve into other possibilities. Its like the idea of beating the wife.
Again, what if the person is a hemaphrodite? Should it just stay that way? Can it get married? Theres tons of questions. Based on the Quran, my interpretation is that its ok, so long its not a lust desire. Men go after women for lust and that too is a wrongdoing. But the fact that men go for women itself is not a wrongdoing.
Also, if you want to say about "people who profess to follow Quran" ask questions, then we should all be following the exact same path, right? Therefore, theres no need for a question/answer section.
Peace
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A) Spying is forbidden in 4912, hence it's none of our business. Also, 2427 means no breaking and entering. So the only way that they could be punished is by their own admittance, directly and willingly, or indirectly. Either way, it will be public. How do you know half the people who you see on the streets don't cover themselves in fecal matter in the privacy of their own homes?
A) I love that you post references, thank you. You just got to the bottom of it, they have to admit to its wrong doing or have 4 witnesses to be punished.
Innocent people could get locked with AIDS or other things without knowing.
they are hardly innocent if they are promiscuous, dug their own grave. Why do you think we are supposed to wait till marriage? That's the primary reason.
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Peace
they are hardly innocent if they are promiscuous, dug their own grave. Why do you think we are supposed to wait till marriage? That's the primary reason.
Thats what I mean. Say they do wait till marriage and they dont know about the other partners promiscuity. They have intercourse and then contract an STD.
Peace
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Why would sex change be against the quraan? There must be a very strong reason behind such a big decision, either organic/practicability (hermaphrodites, male siamese twins with one reproductive organ e.g) or genetico-psychological. Nobody would want to change their sex for fun or lust.
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Peace,
What does STD stands for?
Majidah
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Peace Elke,
Many thanks!!!
Majidah
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Peace "lobster"
What??
What kind of mutations does homosexuality cause? I would like to know.
And how do we pass on ACQUIRED traits to our offspring?? Mutations will only occur if our DNA is altered, please show me how me having sex with a male would alter my DNA. Muscular parents don't have muscular kids, it's an acquired trait, and acquired traits don't get passed down, only genetic traits do.JK- Do you or do you not believe in evolution now? I thought you do. YES a change of environment causes CHANGES, if but little, IN THE DNA and it's not La Marcian evolution wer talking about. Ofcourse great changes dont occur immediately and the environment has to favor them. It is even known that the DNA of humans starts changing once theyr isolated from society and go off to live in the jungle. The changes are very small and to become visible physically would take many genrations, Children of parents who consistently train their muscles, then they, then their children and so on will ultimately lead to more muscular human beings if the environment these are born into doesnt select it away because of other factors i.e. it is beneficial. Yes natural selection operates at the genetic level. GOD Bless!
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Peace again "lobster",
So if homosexuality is wrong, it should be harmful in some way. If you can prove it is harmful, I'm with you. If you can't, and if the quran does prohibit homosexuality, then the quran is wrong.
JK- This is the basic point we need to focus on. As ive said ive mentioned a few possibilities which INDICATE IT MAYBE HARMFUL. Now we need to collect the evidence through unbiased sources and see. If the Quran yet haapens to be right, and theres high prob IMHO that it will be, then it would further strengthen it's position, perhaps more than ever before. GOD Bless!
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Peace "angel",
yes he is.
JK- As i said from the Quranic perspective male HS has to be harmful to other indivual human beings. Talking from that perspective GOD cannot be homophobic. Yes the Quran MAY be wrong but the probbaility of that as I and many other independent reaseachers see it is terribly low.
I know.
they were probably carried out by homophobic monotheists who probably have smaller brains then the people they were studying.
JK- Sorry it's the INAH-3 in the brain which is smaller than that of straight men. Goto http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality and click on "Physiological differences in gay men and lesbians".
a complete load of BS
more BS.
More BS
JK- Apparently you don't have much knowledge of the human immune system and/or how evolution works.
That is what I was saying all along!
JK- And where does the Quran throw them in those categories? Remeber you were accusing the Quran of being wrong by it terming male hs wrong. GOD Bless!
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J humans have been having anal sex since god knows how many years, many heterosexual couples indulge in it too. If there was a horrendous disease it would cause then the world health organisations would ban anal sex and everyone would shun the practice.
Besides humans have a very effective immune system, and immunology is a complex subject, did you know that Khalil, Wakas and Anwar eat raw meat and have not experience terrible problems?
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To Angel With Love
No one is born "gay." There is no such thing as a homosexual or lesbian gene. Religious considerations aside, this issue IS about science that sodomites and lesbians refuse to address. They will do anything to stay away from the issue of science because they know there isn't a scintilla of scientific evidence to back up their argument. Because no one is born homosexual or lesbian, one can only consider their behavior as abnormal, queer, perverted, filthy and nothing more than a sexual fetish that is a public health hazard. This IS the dialogue that should be the main focus No one can prove scientifically that any human is born queer, therefore, there is nothing to discriminate against. There are no special rights due those who prefer perverted sex because no one is "born that way."Thanks to
Devvy KiddBesides the fact that the life span of a homosexual male is about 38 years if age, the diseases spread by their perverted sexual preferences is massive. According to Dr. Ben Joseph, a retired internal medicine physician in California, the discussion regarding homosexuals and lesbians should be centered on the issue of public health, not civil rights or discrimination
"Homosexuality is not normal. It is a filthy and germ ridden sexual perversion. It is killing people. The health department exists to discover the sources of diseases and eradicate them. Somehow, homosexuality with all of its harmful effects has escaped scrutiny. I know the gay community is powerful and has friends in all the high places, but this is ridiculous. To introduce homosexuality to our public schools as just another normal lifestyle is appalling. It's as normal as wanting to get hit over the head with a baseball bat.
The CDC statistics show an overall increase of 5.1% in AIDS infections in the U.S. between 1999-2002. Homosexual and bisexual infection rates have increased 17%, the highest among other groups studied.
Anal sex is dangerous, it's filthy and the cost to human life is simply awful. Here's a short laundry list of what sexual deviancy brings to the participant (Anal) Douches, Lubricants Allergic reactions, Rectal fatty tumors Active Fellatio Physical abrasions, Oral gonorrhea, Herpes progenitalis I and II, Nongonococcal pharyngitis (Chlamidia and others), Oral condyloma acuminatum, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, Enteric diseases, Lymphogranuloma veneered, Granola inquinale, Chancroid Passive Fellatio Herpes type 1 and 2, Nongonococcol urethritis (Chlamidia and others), Gonorrhea, Neisseria meningitidis. Anal Intercourse, Active Nongonococcol urethritis, Escherichia coli, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis A, B, non-A/non-B, Herpes, Warts -molluscum and condyloma, Syphilis, Trichomoniasis, Epididymitis/prostatitis, Fungal infections, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Granuloma inguinale, Chancroid, Cytomegalovirus.
Anal Intercourse, Passive Physical pretties, Rectal gonorrhea, Warts -condyloma and molluscum (rare), Nonspecific proctitis (Chlamidia and others), Herpes, Syphilis, Hepatitis B, Trichomoniasis, Corynebacterium, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Granuloma inguinale, Chancroid, Cytomegalovirus, Candidiasis. Analinction (dung-eating, "rimming" Enteric diseases Gay bowel syndrome (explained below) PLUS Escherichia coli and Helminthic parasites, Oral warts, Oral gonorrhea, Syphilis, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Granuloma inguinale, Chancroid. Fist/Finger Insertion, Passive Internal scrapes, Anal sphincter tears, Perforations of the colon, Acute abdomen, having to wear a diaper. Toys/Apparatus Allergic reactions, Friction dermatitis, Physical torsions, Varicoceles, Peyronie's disease, Fungal infections, Lost rectal objects, Testicular strangulation ("cock rings".
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To Angel with Love
Even today in country like Australia;Tasmania and Queensland are the jurisdictions that still enforces a sodomy law - with the age of consent for anal sex being set at 18 (as compared to 16 for vaginal and oral sex in Queensland) and in Tasmania, Offcourse they feel that it is dangerous as compared to natrual sex.In a notable case in 2002, a man who had anal intercourse with a teenager was sentenced to three and a half years in prison in China