regarding kabah
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i stumbled onto this site after having doubts about a lot of things in islam....
i read a lot of inciteful articles and then i researched them more to get confirmations....but one thing i do not understand
http//free-minds.org/articles/history/moh5.htm
this article in freeminds makes the kabah look like some non-islamic thing...
but this proves that the site is holy
http//www.anwary-islam.com/kabah.htm
some quotes from the quran
? Behold! We gave the site, To Ibrahim, of the (Sacred) House?, Al Hajj, 26
?The first sanctuary appointed for mankind was that at Bakka a blessed place, a guidance to the peoples? Ali?Imran, 96
?Allah hath appointed the Kabah, the Sacred House, a standard for mankind? Al maidah, 97
?And take ye the Station Of Ibrahim as a place Of prayer? Al Baqarah
the site i linked to also has a lot of hadith quotes but the quotes above are all from the quran respectively and the site doesnt seem to glorify hadiths or anything it says "Many prophetic traditions (Hadeeths) referred to the superiority of Zamzam water" and goes on with some hadith quotes
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welcome Philosopher!
If you want my opinion, I see the Kabah as something with an origionally good purpose, (unity, devotion to god, etc.) but has been corrupted. (idolatry, profit, etc.) I seriously think Islam should look at the practice of praying towards the Kabah. Because if I prayed to any other that would be Idolatry. It is true that the Quran says to pray to it, but the Quran also states to chop off the hands of thieves. Critical examination is seriously needed nowadays.
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but the Quran also states to chop off the hands of thieves.
1273 They said "By God, you know we did not come to cause corruption in the land, and we are no thieves!"
1274 They said "What shall be the punishment, if you are not truthful?"
1275 They said "The punishment is that he in whose bags it is found will himself serve as the punishment. It is so that we punish the wicked." -
1273 They said "By God, you know we did not come to cause corruption in the land, and we are no thieves!"
1274 They said "What shall be the punishment, if you are not truthful?"
1275 They said "The punishment is that he in whose bags it is found will himself serve as the punishment. It is so that we punish the wicked."There is nothing specific in the koran with regards to punishment.
5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
From capitl punishment, to torture, to mutilation to jail or exile. All are avaiable in mankind's society. Nothing specific. Verses say flooging adulterer others say confinig them to their homes. In all cases the person can repent.
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There is nothing specific in the koran with regards to punishment.
5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
From capitl punishment, to torture, to mutilation to jail or exile. All are avaiable in mankind's society. Nothing specific. Verses say flooging adulterer others say confinig them to their homes. In all cases the person can repent.
Hahaha i personally find that verse charming. But only appliable to the kind of people who commit mass murderers. Well naturally these people can't be exiled, they are dangerous.
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There is nothing specific in the koran with regards to punishment.
5.33. The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
From capitl punishment, to torture, to mutilation to jail or exile. All are avaiable in mankind's society. Nothing specific. Verses say flooging adulterer others say confinig them to their homes. In all cases the person can repent.
You cannot be serious.
Let's rephrase, there is no punishment in the Quran. When you take the verses out of context.
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Before I answer to you dear Zenje;
lost Philospher said
It is true that the Quran says to pray to it.....
This satement can be written this way
It is true that the Quran says to face towards it while praying rather than
Praying to it.
So dear Zenje I thought this is what is meant by lost philospher, now if you disagree with this satement also, then we can start our discussion.
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Zenje and Wakas it is not an easy topic to understand and discuss, it is Ramzan and time is short; any how keeping its importance in my mind I will try, it is easy to make it understand to one who wants too, but for those who have made their mindsets it is quite difficult including me.
The fools among the people would say, "Why did they change the direction of their Qiblah?" Say, "To GOD belongs the east and the west; He guides whoever wills in a straight path."
We thus made you an impartial community, that you may serve as witnesses among the people, and the messenger serves as a witness among you. We changed the direction of your original Qiblah only to distinguish those among you who readily follow the messenger from those who would turn back on their heels. It was a difficult test, but not for those who are guided by GOD. GOD never puts your worship to waste. GOD is Compassionate towards the people, Most Merciful.
We have seen you turning your face about the sky. We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.
Even if you show the followers of the scripture every kind of miracle, they will not follow your Qiblah. Nor shall you follow their Qiblah. They do not even follow each others' Qiblah. If you acquiesce to their wishes, after the knowledge that has come to you, you will belong with the transgressors
Wherever you go, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. This is the truth from your Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything you all do.
O you who believe, seek help through steadfastness and the Contact Prayers (Salat). GOD is with those who steadfastly persevere
The Quran tells us in one of the above regarding disputes among the Jews and Christians in regards to their qiblah. It is because of their carelessness regarding the qiblah that the Quran states in unequivacol terms that the Muslims must not be like them in this regard. If God Almighty has criticized the ahl-kitab for their negligence in their following the covenant of God, the Muslims themselves must not fall into the same mode of behavior.
After stating this point, the Almighty than makes parenthetical remark that the Muslims should not heed the criticisms of the unjust Jews in Christians in this matter that will naturally result, because they are simply bent on aggressive behavior because of their JEALOUSY. Further, the Quran engenders the proper psychological attitude of a believer when he turns for prayer. The fear of God MUST BE THE DRIVING FORCE IN HIS BEHAVIOR, and he must keep this in mind.Allah all over Quran talks about unity of Muslims and Muslims as one community
For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah, it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Kaaba they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Kaaba they face the west.
Imagine if there was no one direction to face then everyone would have faced all directions which may have caused dissent and disunity in the heart of the Muslims. Therefore it was essential to provide a common direction for the Muslims throughout the world.Quran does say to face at some specific direction.
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In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba.
Do you face Kaaba while driving? while working? Where is kaaba assigned as the qibla?
We are told to face masjid al harram wherever we are
You are making a huge assumption that the sacred masjid = kaaba
I can make a much better case for becca as per 396
2146 Those to whom We have given the Scripture know it as they know their own children; and a group of them hides the truth while they know.
if you ask christians or jews who know their scriptures what will they say?
2147 The truth is from your Lord, so do not be one of those who doubt.
The truth is the direction
2148 And to each is a direction that he will take, so you shall race towards good deeds. Wherever you may be, God will bring you all together. God is capable of all things.
What direction are we told to 'face' here?
2149 And from wherever you go out, you shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple; it is the truth from your Lord; and God is not unaware of what you do.
2150 And wherever you go out, you shall set yourself towards the Restricted Temple. And wherever you may be you shall set yourselves towards it; that the people will have no room for debate with you, except those of them who are wicked. You shall not fear them, but fear Me; so that I may complete My blessings upon you and that you may be guided.
Do you face kaaba ALL THE TIME? as per 2150
2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who honors the Connection, and who contributes towards betterment; as well as those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous.
