It is an interresting note, that till now, I have only seen the term Ghafouri-Raheemi, the Provider of Protection, when God gives certain laws or advices. Giving a clear connection that these Laws and Advices protect us against being out of harmony with the Universal Construct. He also uses Ghafour and Raheem alone, seperate from each other, and these terms are by my opinion connected with the Creation of the Universe and its construct, as indeed the Earth's atmosphere that protect us and provide us with rain. Thus these loose definitions refer to the Universe and the terms combined to the Quranic Message. Very interesting.

If it is important to our salvation shouldn't there at least be a consensus what is salat? Nope, because consensus is useless in that it can be either right or wrong. The %age of people agreeing to something doesn't make it more right or more wrong. But I understand what you're saying. Perhaps we are approaching salat from the wrong end. We are trying to disect it using cross-reference and etymology and whatever it is called that people do... and that is all good I think, because it can remove alot of falsehood and invented lies, however, maybe we can be guided towards doing salat by God even without knowing that it is salat we are doing. Perhaps we are too stuck up with the word sometimes. This might sound odd since the word is in the quran... but in the end, what is important is what we live/do in our lives and why... it is the output and intentions that matter.... not what we call it. As far as the word salat is concerned, I don't think there ever will be a consensus. Also, our footprint on our own soul won't depend on our understanding of a word. We'll do what we feel i right, not what we think a word means... Peace and best wishes.

I recently tasted,its more tasty aswell than ordinary water )

He He = Jonah (intact) or his parts /molecules ??

The Quran has many examples of prophets making mistakes. Remember that Abraham also turned to the sun, moon and stars before that. Possibly to remind us, ahem, that they are not infallible.

I came across this interesting website http//patriot.net/~bmcgin/quranforbidsterrorism.html What is the punishment for unintentional murder ? Forgiveness. Salam, Leo )

Sister, refer to 3787-92.

public act, like on the streets on daylight or night? Like nudists or something? what ever,, which entails witnessing of any such act by 4. Fornication, adultry is part of committing "Fahisha" siki

Peace explorer, The first thing that comes to mind for me is Jesus, when they tried to crucify him. Read on another board that someone thought the other was when the Zionist Regime started and they took over Palestine. Peace

Yes on the a laser thin bridge over the hell Let me guess This bridge is called the "straight path" ;D

Peace SHM, I have to disagree due to the subjectivity element of your interpretation. applying subjective logic and reasoning eliminates absolute truth. plus most subjective judgments are made on ones personal desires and not made with the community at mind. PLUS, subjective reason can vary greatly in which one individual can view an act evil and wrong while another considered it wise and just. how can agreement be made on such subjective reasoning? and how can one commit shirk when technically according to your interpretation, his or her personal subjective reason is GOD gave (therefore, if he view it correct, it is correct?)? With subjectivity I'm simply referring to your 'self'. You cannot circumvent this 'self' that you have; so you cannot escape your subjectivity. It's like breathing. Everything, all things, that you experience are through the lenses of your 'self'. 'Subjective logic' is a redundancy (same goes for subjective reason and judgment); all logic is, as all else, subjective. There is no 'true' logic. And there is no 'absolute truth' within the frameworks of human mind. What is beyond this framework, that is beyond our perceived reality, it doesn't exist for us. So what if we disagree? It is not like we haven't cracked that nut before. Largely, we have come to believe that those who are united in the larger numbers have the most forceful stance. Some use their force violently and operate tyrannically. Those are the mushriks (idolator) and kafirs (denier). Others invite and enlighten others with wisdom and kind words. Those are the hanif (monotheist) and muslims (peacemaker). Yes, the 'self' - wherein lies subjectivity - is god given, but the path it takes and the meandering it does is its own. Your mouth is god given, your tongue is god given, your sound is too, but neither your words nor your tone can be blamed on god. SHM therefore, if he view it correct, it is correct In his mind, yes, and he shall be made to answer why he thought so. Then god is the best judge. But you have the luxury of subjectivity brother, you don't need to be the subject of his. Nadeem

Peace to all, Satan is out there to do his job. Quran has already told has that the hell will be full of people falling in Satan's trap. Why would God need to support the truth against falsehood. Satan's claim was that ' i am better than the human' Thus we're given the chance to prove him right or wrong. 712 He said "What has prevented you from yielding when I have ordered you?" He said "I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!" 713 He said "Descend from it, it is not for you to be arrogant here; depart, for you are disgraced." 714 He said "Grant me respite until the Day they are resurrected?" 715 He said "You are granted." 716 He said "For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your Straight Path." 717 "Then I will come to them from between their hands, and from behind them, and from their right, and from their left; You will find most of them are unappreciative." 718 He said "Get out from this, you are despised and banished. As for those of them who follow you, I will fill Hell with you all! 1422 And the devil said when the matter was complete "God Had promised you the promise of truth, and I promised you and broke my promise. And I had no power over you except that I invited you and you responded to me. So do not blame me, but blame yourselves; I cannot help you nor can you help me. I reject that you have set me as a partner before this; the wicked will have a painful retribution." ( Even Satan claims to be a monotheist! Also see 848 for that) He (Satan) said, "My Lord, since You have willed that I go astray, I will surely entice them on earth; I will send them all astray. Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone." He (God) said, "This is a law that is inviolable you have no power over my servants; you only have power over the strayers who follow you." Also see http//free-minds.org/articles/satan/satan.htm

Peace Explorer, You are welcome. Some people don't even bother to read the whole discussion before jumping to conclusions. All one has to do is read the whole discussion to see the Qur'aanic proof of the "third" life, but for some that is beyond their capabilities. I sympathize with them and acknowledge their handicap. I pray that The God gives them the sight, intellect and logic that He has bestowed on the normal. I actually sort of envy them because there will be no burden on them !! 4817 There is no burden on the blind, nor is there any burden on the cripple, nor is there on the sick any burden. And whosoever obeys God and His messenger, He will admit them into paradises with rivers flowing beneath; and whosoever turns away, He will punish him with a painful retribution.

Peace, Surat YUSSUFA did indeed change my life 360 degrees. I learned that in this dream a believer has to shield himself with two things REMEMBRANCE+PATIENCE. "ALADI ATAQA WA SABAR>>"QURAN LA ILA ILA LA If you dont mind would you like to share your story with us? How your life changed 360 degrees. Perhaps we will benefit as well. Thanks in advance.

the use of a capital H would have been sufficient peace lk

has someone 'disabled' the trash section? The 'post' and 'new topic' buttons are missing btw Trash is a great section

salam, -> quran is for all mankind http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=12976.msg106550#msg106550 -> your mentioning/memory in it. 2110 -> read the qur'an as easy/much as you can 7320 -> God gives wisdom to who He wills 2269 -> guidance for who? 22-26 -- 2171 The parable of those who reject Faith is as if one were to shout Like a goat-herd, to things that listen to nothing but calls and cries deaf, dumb, and blind, they are void of wisdom. peace.

Looking in the Hans Wehr Arabic dictionary one of the meanings of is long life/longevity, so it doesnt always mean women

In Muslim and Abu Dawood Saeed al khudri reported that a man itban asked O Allah,s Messenger if a man is interrupted during sexual intercourse so as to leave his wife before the ejaculation what he should do for ghusal, Prophet replied The water is only required because of seminal fluid. In other report by Ali the prophet said when you men ejaculate perform ghusal of janba when you do not ejaculate dont perform ghusal As per my understandings ejaculation is the main cause of impurity not sex itself, thats why if men ejaculate in masterbation they must have to perform ghusal but in case of women there is no ejaculation and difference of opinion is amongst the scholars even ahnaf says on women ghusal is not obligatory if they masterbate because ejaculation doesnt happen at all, women anatomy is very different they get orgasm/climax even without fantacies or touch specially during ovulation time or after end of their periods so i will deduce from the aayah in Nissa that ghusal only fard on men during intercourse women only do after periods or nafas and ayah is only for men not for women, for male impurity is seminal fluid and for women impurity is blood of periods and nafas.

Anwar I hope we can begin to finish this topic as it is tiring me and proving fruitless. leoxyz i'm not going to discuss with you because you aren't able to comprehend the idiosyncrasies of my spoken language leave it alone, get over it {Aaron} Sure I also think so .Bye {Leoxyz} Dear Explorer, Now please read the verse and ponder yourself. You may find the answer.