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Salaam Br mquran, Yes, exactly! Aren't we going to live now and move forward instead that always looking back on the past. Who knows who Aisha was and if she really existing, perhaps she was just an actor in a book. Poetry was very common in the past. Peace Sis Majidah

Peace Neo, If you interpret it literally, the statement "closer than the jugular vein" sets up a locale for the 'closeness' of god right? It's closer than the left ventricle, it's closer than our vocal chords, it's closer than the jugular vein however it's not closer than, say, the frontal lobe of the brain. I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. You've taken one view and applied it as universal. The way I see it, the jugular vein is within. God is closer to us than the jugular vein, or, God is closer to us than the body part that is within. If God is closer than that which is within, then something else is being demostrated here. This does not set up a locale, but in fact, demonstrates the transcendance of any possible locale we can fathom in tangible terms. I'm not saying that my view is the right view, just that it is a possibility that happens to work. I think saying 'nearly 100% space' is a bit misleading since it isn't. It's true there's a lot of 'space' relative to the number of particles within an atom, but it's not 100%. What is the statistic you refer to by saying "a lot of space", if it's not nearly 100%? Reality as we exerience it is still tangible (as is the jugular vein ); it can be seen, heard, felt, and smelt. and tasted wink but that doesn't mean it's really there. All perception only takes place in the mind. Green to me may not look the same as green to you, though we both may like green. We'll never know if it's perceived the same way because the only place the perception exists is in the mind. God is not tangible and god is inpenetrable to our senses. Also, if god was 'with us' then it would imply god's attributes would be reduced to the finite and it would no longer be 'god'. What is finite? Time and space? These are illusions. They do not exist. The only thing that exists is thought/consciousness/awareness. Everything else is just theory... more thought. Just because God seems beyond our physical senses does not mean we are not immersed in God's energy. If you assume the contrary, which is 'we transcend the tangible reality and live in gods realm' - you'll have to explain how the universe, which is bound by time, can reside inside eternity where time doesn't exist. I don't make that assumption. My assumption is only that there is one possible reality and we are swimming in it. Time does not exist, nor does space. It's always "Now" and I'm always "here". Peace, Tay

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SaLaM idmkhizar God has SPECIFICALLY forbidded alcohol. But where has God forbidden Anal sex? Lolllllllllll Khi- Salam. As you can see ive quoted verses above where GOD is indirectly forbidding other than vaginal intercourse. 2ndly even if GOD did not forbid it that still doesnt mean it's right. GOD does not need to forbid everything specifically. He gave us a brain and using that we can get to know that anal sex is more harmful than benefical, if at all. GOD Bless!

Anwar Azim, My bad, I was responding to whoever asked if 'two submissive ones' was a right translation. you know my stance on this (I hope). Godbless, ProGod

/\ Hah, I have no argument against that. Nicely said.

Good evening Mr. LoteTree, It does not show that you read anything else. You read only one thing and do you want to guess what that one thing is? The quran? Free-minds.org? Nah... But if you believe so, you may believe so. So you DO understand what I am talking about! Because that's what you would like to believe. Believing what one wants to believe is the easiest thing to do. ) Is this hard to understand? And yet you think you know it. I think I know it? Is that all this was about? Ha ha -) That's not all there is to it. I won't tell you what more there is, but I will let you excercise your mind on this. ) You just don't get it do you? Scripture came from human experience of "transcendence" - what else is there to know? If you study it then you will recognise this also -) Are you saying that there is nothing else to know other than "Scripture came from human experience of "transcendence""? So it seems you KNOW something. The so-called experience of "transcendence" you talk of, is ITSELF a human experience ! Human experience is subject to error, regardless of it being a "Scripture" or not. I wonder why you are so tied up with "Scripture". It seems to me that you cannot talk without mentioning "Scripture", just like you cannot talk without mentioning your authority figures. As for knowing things, I will echo the old Socratic phrase "I know nothing" -) There is nothing that Socrates wrote which one could analyze. You have to go through either Plato's presentation or Xenophon's presentation and read the critical views of authors who have writen ABOUT Socrates based on Plato's and Xenophon's presentations/writings. But since you like appealing to others, you can parrot what you want and hide behind them, which is again another easy thing to do, just like believing what one wants to believe. ) Good night. Anwar Azim PS Fall is coming soon. Just to let you know that I will be busy again and might not get the time to continue this correspondence with you as often as now.

Thank you loads Ayman. This should do it. One big problem I have is my family and friends who look at me as if I am satans disciple. I need answers. It's a shame I have been misguided for so many years. You are doing a great service and keep going. Peace Shohorab

Peace Olusanya, We will be judged according to our "DEEDS", not our "DEBATES"! But they are not mutually exclusive, they can be parallel, debating here, a forum -- what another thing can be done in a forum?, and deeds here and offline. Talking/discusing are actions too, and have consequences, why wouldn't they be part of the judgement? /Though discussing the notion of judgement would belong to another thread./

Peace Anwar! I don't agree with that view. But that's how I feel others think of us. That's why I've got that quote in my signature. If you find it offensive I'd be happy to remove it. // Nick. Offensive? Nah... I was just curious. Anwar Azim

SaLaM Scientists use rats and monkeys to test their products on, no wonder so many people die by taking medicines. In my opinion, prisoners on death row should be used as human subjects in any experiment. I dont see how an etical issue can be raised. Yea, he will probably die, but he will die contributing to the medical society D . Atleast we will know precisly what effects can take place by altering a certain gene and can then make double progress in genetics.

SaLaM Sha Free Speech, you are reffereing to, dont exist in Pakistan. So yes, you WILL probably be thrown in jail or worse Lollllllllll

Rice to the Rescue! D Thanks a bunch.

SaLaM idmkhizar When people speak spanish, its logical to assume the book that came down in that city wll also be in spanish. In any case, that is my opinion. you dont have to agree with it. Khi- Salam. Not if the book there came down in Italian. In that case it would be an Italian book revealed in Spain. By the phrase 'Quranan Arabiyyan' GOD is describing the language of the Quran. Lemme point out another verse If we made it a non-Arabic Quran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" What an Arab and non-Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway." Thus it is clear rfom the above verse that the Quran was written in Arabic, NOT Aramaic language and there's no way around this. GOD Bless!

Salam, Absolutely we were there before we came to this world. We are here in this inferior and limited universe because we did something wrong. Otherwise GOD would have given everyone equal wealth, health, pleasure and enjoyment which is not the case. Is GOD unjust then? Certainly not. Hence we must have done something wrong before. GOD Bless!

Peace, lol Never thought I would see Noah lose his temper! Keep your cool, they are just words. This is a forum for tolerant individuals that can keep calm throughout debates. Nural

Peace, This is just sad and pathetic. I have only been away awhile and already... Nural

thanks for the clarification on the usage of a question mark. Allow me to clarify the use of "a" and "the" in grammar please see my original statement generic = a system specific = the system Wakas

peace Abu, all, It is interesting to note Shahroor likens slw to bond/bind. Wakas

Peace, plz check the spelling of the bold word in a hard copy of the holy quran the mistake is that there is no y'aa after el t'aa there is small alef thanks for concern It is a correct spelling. The copy you are looking at is the 'modern' style of writing which adds the 'small alif', while the original text did not use this method, but used a 'ya' to indicate a short alif. You can see the actual text below for 3171 (3rd line down) http//goldkoran.mse.jhu.edu/htdocs/mrsid/kbin/show.pl?client=Koran&image=Koran.053v.sid