What is the nature of God?

It is an expression OF God, i.e. in essence it is God. there is nothing in (human perception or imagination) you can compare with God.. so by default the intrinsic nature or indispensable quality of something cannot be compare to God.. loop after loop in the nature of God whatever you will bring physical/metaphor is wrong to comapre it with God.. let me make it easy for you if you really on a mission to describe the nature of God. u must find something which a human mind cannot percieve... if you know anything like this then you will come back to the first loop as u already know what u imagine is disqualified to compare.. ,so on other words a human mind is designed with the absence of understanding God nature... there is nothing like him 112/4 let say i tell u God is (ghtrtrertret) now next loop is what is (ghrtrertret) then i will tell its like this... as soon i use the word like my claim become invalid automatically....

Salam, Indeed, this path has taught us to love God more strongly and exalt Him above everything else... 2165 And from among the people are some who take other than God as equals to Him, they love them as they love God; but those who believe love God more strongly; and when those who were wicked see the retribution, they will see that all power belongs to God, and that God is severe in retribution. May we find peace in His light and under His mercy...

(Now is the time for them to think.) Say (O Messenger), ?Who is it that provides for you from the heaven and the earth, or who is it that has full power over your hearing and sight? And who is it that brings forth the living from the dead, and the dead from the living? And who is it that directs the Order of the Universe?? They will say, "God.? Say, ?Will you not then be mindful of His laws?? 1031

Peace everyone, Following is scientific proof of existence of the Creator Meaningful information cannot be coded by a random process. Please see the referenced links for evidence of this premise. The information coded in the DNA molecule is thus proof of a Creator. No matter how long random processes last (infinity), meaningful information cannot be coded by those random processes. https//www.trueorigin.org/dawkinfo.php http//cosmicfingerprints.com/prove-god-exists/ http//cosmicfingerprints.com/atheists-riddle-2/ http//cosmicfingerprints.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/intelligent_evolution.pdf If someone believes otherwise that "meaningful information can be coded by a random process" then the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim. So anyone who believes that "meaningful information can be coded by a random process", please bring your proof. Peace

Thank you for this selection! In my next rereading of the Qu'ran, I will try to comprehend how this argument can be seen (or rejected). I don't think that a simulation is necessarily the same as false. At least not in a way that would make our lives a lie. If we have consciousness (in the scientific meaning), than something of us is true, even if "simulated".

Because of all those behind your avatar here....! You think evil (malice/vice) exists because of the square and compass ?! ..not sure how does it follow ... Are you evil, reel ? i.e., do you consider yourself evil ? Is the problem choice ?

good logic, Not exactly, this person basically understands. He just needs to refine his terminology in order to convey his message in a more clear manner so that it does not seem like nonsense to a lot of people. The person could have worked this out by his own logic and he made a fine job. And I am not seeing people as competition. I have a mission and I speak what I have to tell, and people like him basically tell the same as I do and it is just about conveying it in the best possible manner. Be well Amenuel

Hi Amenuel, That is so true, because I've come across maybe thousands of well-educated but "dumb" people, lol. Apparently thinking logically without involving too much of your emotions and bias is very hard for humans. Interestingly, when I look back at some of the things I said here on this forum a few years ago, I now feel ashamed. I saw an idiotic response of mine in 2012 to our member Jafar about his views on the Qur'an, for example. My reply had nothing to do with logic or facts, but I reacted purely emotionally in a desperate attempt to "defend" the infallible Qur'an against "kuffar" like Jafar who dared to question the book. Humans are funny creatures, we are so insecure and weak Although this happened back in 2012, I would like to apologize to Jafar and ask for his forgiveness... rotfl Peace, ?zcan The love of Supreme is Unconditional Love

The limit is the rule Digits are 0-9 Like words there combination make up different understandings And I do believe that postive plus negative equals 0 like with atoms it created a bond like salt being composed of two ions one + and the other - Why are you getting infinity? Is it a positive infinity or a negative? Math proves a creator because it is regulated by rules like all things on earth (physics). I remember tripping balls on dxm and thinking about all these things, remember we don't make the rules to math like magic or anything we simply put pieces in places and read them. Sorry for old post the forums kinda slow lately.

We are told that a loving God/Allah created us individually and endowed us with an eternal soul and with free will. We are further told that God is all-knowing and all-seeing. Still further that how we use "free will" determine whether our individual ultimate fate will be a heaven or a hell. And further still that God has preordained all good and all evil. And, moreover, that we are to use the God-given faculty of reason. This is all gibberish as long as you do not demonstrate which verses coincide with these generalized statements. You are paraphrasing mostly. Shows lack of scholarly approach and misunderstanding of the Quran. "We are told"....No we read. So show us what you have read...if you even have that is. Bring the verses in question don't try to generalize, summarize what you think the Quran is conveying. Post the actual ayaats. Other than that we will just be disputing about your own understanding of what "You are TOLD" ] According to my reasoning, this is all paradoxical. Your reasoning also lead you to believe that generalizing about a topic in the Quran is an appropriate approach. Also it would help if you indicated which arguments are paradoxical and why? Your reasoning is very vague. How can "free will" operate to alter what has been predetermined? Now, you have ventured out of addressing Quran, you are asking philosophical questions, for which you'd honestly need a different topic altogether. But to nib the bud...answer this who says, where do you read or who TOLD you that freewill according to Quran is supposed to alter what has been pre-determined? As long as you are still addressing the issue in a Quranic perspective, that is. How can an omniscient God create a person that he purportedly loves, with the foreknowledge -- indeed, His own predetermination -- that the person will suffer as his ultimate fate eternal burning in a hell? It is because He is Just and not unjust to His Servants, despite Knowing their breasts and their rebellion and hatred towards His Supreme-Self and Authority, He gives them their lifetime to amend and reform and sends them Signs and Messengers and gives them of every example so they perhaps may return. What is it with you people that not you understand a single statement?? Why would an omnipotent, loving God preordain evil? This is another philosophical question, which by the way has been addressed and refuted ages ago by ancient theologians and philosophers. Maybe you should study up on a bit of philosophy more carefully. The Question of Evil has been addressed in philosophy for certain. But if you are still(which I doubt) interested in a response based on Quranic evidence, then demonstrate those ayaats that you think are indicating what you are assuming. Again unless you specify Quranic evidence we are just going to be arguing about your assumptions on Quran and as I see now philosophical arguments that have been addressed ages ago. So which front are you tackling I see a set of two distinct kinds of questions. You are being a bit sloppy. Why would an eternal God with no beginning, who has existed for infinite eternities within eternities, decide to create humans for the sole purpose of worshipping him. Another basic level intro to philosophy question. Are you taking philosophy 101 by any chance? All these questions are the themes/thesis of famous philosophical arguments haha This question is actually a mix because you have included a quasi-Quranic statement "sole purpose of worshipping him". Well your entire statements demonstrate lack of scholarly approach. Man was not the first creation, there were creations before, and the creation of the heavens and the earth were greater than that of man. The malaki are assumed to have been created way before mankind which includes jinn and then humans. Where is the ayaat which you are paraphrasing? Is this how you write assay? With no proper citations and paraphrasing? Your philosophy professor might not be too lenient on grading your papers if you continue this way. Essentially this question shows that you assume that anything that we could possibly do or accomplish benefits Allah in anyway. You are way off target. Anything that you are commanded to do benefits you entirely. I want you to get serious and actually begin researching and finding these ayaats you are paraphrasing if you truly want to discuss what the Quran is conveying on the subject. You will however see that the verb abada does not solely convey worship, but it conveys servitude/serving/servant. We are created to serve Allah so that we may grow (zaka) and benefit from His Mercy, Grace, Perpetual Giving. Submitting to His Universal Code of Existence advances us in this growth and it only benefits us. For again if you have understood the Quranic perspective He is Free of need so asking or implying as you have that there is a craving for human worship is blasphemous, unscholarly and dishonest. Why does an omnipotent God need anything at all, especially the craven worship of lowly humans? You have just repeated the question above, but rephrased it in a provocative an insulting fashion which exposes your biases and ignorance about Quran. You would only believe there is a crave if you are not well-read in Quran and if your anti-theist biases lead you to such naive conclusions. Goodluck with your philosophy course nope

there are lot of situations in my life when I was totally lose hope and nothing was in my control. and nobody was able to help . and a state where nothing can achieve apart from a miracle... let say in 6th grade of my school somebody challenged me to come on title positon. the school belong to army and I was orphan , my mom told me to start pray behind her first time I pray and ask something which I really need ,,, miracously Allah granted me a title position. my first pray I still remember its 20 years ago,, after that I encounter plantey of times where only some supreme being helped me... and that help come ,,, that make me believe if u didn't transgress with law and try to be loyal with your Allah he never let u down,,, specially in the matters of respect and need... trust me.. I dnt only worship my lord,, I love him and this love is undescribeable ,,, that what Allah is even the relationship with God is amazing only a person can understand ... once my teacher challenged me u will fail in math if you never get tuition from me,,, my mom at that time was unabale to afford the tuition it was so high... I pray from my lord,,, and interestingly he failed me in school exams but in the board exams I beat his very best student with long margins... I got 86 out of 100 ... that what my lord is... he knows what u really need ..

Peace islamkingdom. Please provide us with the Qoran verses for these instructions. One thing for sure, Qoran deals more with "sickness of the heart". The real sick person is the one who takes on "other gods beside GOD" Qoran calls this kind of sick heart-Dum, deaf and blind- And if this sick person does not uphold GOD Alone as the only authority, no amount of instructions from anywhere is going to help them gain salvation, even if they perform salat a million times a day? May the Lord guide all to His path. GOD bless you. Peace.

"I believe that Government is good if the right/proper form of government is established. There is a quote which goes like this " No there cannot be good government because all are based on bloodshed, stealing and opressing. It's the defintion of govenrment. It;s like saying there is good robber/killer/opressor. It's a contradiction. Research the anatomy of the state. Peace. This would depend on the human character then, who cannot create government without oppression, or who cannot function in societies without government. The issue is not government, but rather that we, the human being, is incapable of living in peace. We are simply not peaceful. Perhaps we should then instead opt for the least bad of the options. Government is a must. Anarchy is just a temporary step backwards. First you'll have chaos and bad forms of violence and hardship. Then government like structures will form, and we're back where we started, except at a much more primitive stage, where we'd have to invent the wheel again. We cannot do without governments. We can only make the best we can out of them. People are people.

peace More verses relating to the covenant 2285 THE APOSTLE, and the believers with him, believe in what has been bestowed upon him from on high by his Sustainer they all believe in God, and His angels, and His revelations, and His apostles, making no distinction between any of His apostles; and they say "We have heard, and we obey. Grant us Thy forgiveness, O our Sustainer, for with Thee is all journeys' end! 9111 BEHOLD, God has bought of the believers their lives and their possessions, promising them paradise in return, they fight in God's cause, and slay, and are slain a promise which in truth He has willed upon Himself in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Qur'an. And who could be more faithful to his covenant than God? Rejoice, then, in the bargain which you have made with Him for this, this is the triumph supreme! 9112 those who turn in repentance , and who worship and praise , and go on and on , and bow down and prostrate themselves in adoration, and enjoin the doing of what is right and forbid the doing of what is wrong, and keep to the bounds set by God. And give thou the glad tiding to all believers. May god increase our knowledge and give us wisdom.

Peace Badar, I see no one has answered you request yet, they are quick to dismiss and insult, but when it comes to defending what they claim all are deafened by the silence, my ear drums are bleeding.

es, What does "but I mi Emil" mean? Is it a secret language or something? Just curious. And a little bit confused ???

Khatam means seal, not necesarily "last". My understanding of khatam an-nabiyin, which makes sense to me, is that ANYTHING that purports to be a revelation must pass the test of its congruity with the qur'an. If it does, the rophethood of the transmitter to the people may be confirmed, it is the seal of prophecy, if not, it is not prophecy. The khatam I can understand it also in the sense that after the transmitter of the Qur'an, all people have the elements to live without the need of a new prophet. Everything is there. In that sense what we would have would rusul, and indeed in a wide sense everybody and everything are rusul. We are rusul to other people, and other people are rusul to us if we get from them something for our spiritual enlightment and transformation. chioldren, sons and daughters are in fact very efficient envoys, if they don't change you very few things will. They may not be conscious of it, but in order to recognize al rusul, all we have to do is to be conscious that we need them, that we use them, that we cannot do without them. I am not sure whether this ties with something of the previous posters posts. I think it does, but I am not sure that I have understood everything well. Salaam So there is still time to submit my resume? How many reference letters do I need to include?

Hi everyone This thread not only directed to muslims, but also members from various beliefs (Christian, Hindhu etc). I belief members in here have good intelectual and I also believe if members in here have the valid reason for why choose this "god" to worship for (for muslim = Allah/God, for Christian= Jesus etc). So please give the valid reasons for -What the reasons you choose your current "god" to worship? -What the reasons you reject another "gods" beside yours? (to members who already studied/experienced some religions). NOTE -No debate, rudeness and jokes. -If you don't understand what I mean, then jusk ask me. -Please visit http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606230.msg347187#new Peace I understand no debate, rudeness, or jokes are allowed, but I myself am a joke, can I still post here seriously? Well forgive me for my existence, but I will answer your question. I choose my God because my God is the the absolute logical truth which I make clear and has nothing to do with faith at all or preference. In fact I'm quite displeased with God, but what I call God is just a matter of fact, and I call nothing less than Fact to be God.

Peace, If we had no free will of course this test would be redundant as it becomes irrelevant. God bless you Why can't it be said a test is stupid regardless of the reasoning?

A good documentary about "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy", for those who are interested on knowing about what/who move this universe. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTAUnwOvknc So what makes this universe? This universe is made of 4.6% Atoms/Matter (matter that we see, touch, hear from water to air to ground to metal to statue/idol, animals, human, planet, moon, stars etc..) 24% Dark Matter (we can't see, touch, hear it, yet all Atoms/Matter are attached to it, the dark matter is the one who 'pushed us down' to earth, pushed the Earth towards the Sun, pushed the Sun towards a black hole in the center of Milky Way, we named such phenomena as gravity, without Dark Matter there will be no atoms/matter and there will be no gravity ) 71.4% Dark Energy (we can't see, touch, hear it, the one who expand the ever expanding universe, it's the dark energy who pushed the dark matter and we can see the results of his/her/it action through the movement of galaxies away from each others and up until now created 'new space' every second). So that's the Nature of Nature or the "Nature of God that we can perceive in this Universe". And remember there's another Universe besides our / this Universe. How many? trillion perhaps unlimited of other Universe in existence. By this understanding, I hope no one will ask "Where Is God?" and expect X,Y,Z coordinate. Just like Dark Matter and Dark Energy, God is here, there, everywhere in this universe. And unlike Dark Matter and Dark Energy, God is also exist beyond this universe. lol Yeah? God is everywhere in the Universe? Out there everywhere? Filling up the vaaast Universe? lol very funny! What evidence does anyone have of the existence of any such vastness? Can anyone access it? All we have access to is the information that makes up our experience. God is nowhere but here, and here is God, the place, nowhere. Where is the information you are experiencing located? God. Is the perception of "depth" or "distance" anything that one can access really? They say the "Earth is flat" haha they don't realize how true it is really, because all we have access to is a layer of information which can be considered "flat", including notions like depth and distance perceived by our eyes. Allah gave the XYZ coordinates "CLOSER to you than your jugular vein". There is no distance, no depth, its all illusory, its all information, which is what God creates, God is all there is, God is the place, there is no space, we are present with God, it is God who is looking, it is God who is determining, there is no one else, you are empty, we are alone, we are one, we are deceived, God is alone forever.