Project: 'Root List'
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Salam/Peace everyone. This is a post i have been thinking about after having a discussion with brother Wakas.
Suggestions, Errors and missing meanings for PRL (Project Root-List).
Suggestions Any suggestions that can help PRL for grammatical linguistic aid for those who do not speak or know arabic, especially Classical Arabic/Quranic Arabic. Like adding Classical Arabic Lexicons to PRL.
EXAMPLE
Classical Arabic Lexicons
Maqayis Al-Lugha
Kitab Al-Ayn
Sihah Fi Al-LughaErrors None for now. Report any error to Wakas or anyone who worked with PRL. Not me ;D, just a helper.
Missing meanings.
Nahl Bee (Fixed)
Imraatun Woman/Woman, Wife (Fixed)I hope this post will be pinned. This could help others who use PRL for studying Qur'an.
Report any errors or missing meanings and leave suggestions for this post about PRL - Project Root List. Salamun Alaykum/Peace be upon you & Allah/God (SWTAY) bless you & your family! group group group
Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (ل is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says
Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.
kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676
kalalah n.f. 412, 4176
LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll
Could someone have a look at this?
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Salam/Peace everyone. I may have found one. The root word Kulli or Kullun (ل is Kaf-Lam-Lam or Kll which i got the info from Quranix.org. But in PRL it says
Kaf-Lam-Lam = To lose father and child, lose direct heirs, be weary, tired, weak, have only remote relations.
kalla vb. (1) n.vb. 1676
kalalah n.f. 412, 4176
LL, V8, p 256 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=kll
Could someone have a look at this?
Salamun alaikum.
You raise few delicate issues, they are delicate only because of confusion spread by some scholars; otherwise it was simple and plain.
Root
Ibn Faris stated
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That firstly it leads to the perception opposite to loneness, solitary; secondly signifies surrounding, circling a thing by another, and thirdly an organ as part of organs. The first perception is that of all, subtotal.
And that signifies the sword by itself, whole, solitary; and likewise signifies as verbal noun a state of one being all by himself, solitary, whole
Some secondary ideas, such as those of the whole, the part, the like, and the different, which are usually designated in English by adjectives, prepositions, or compound words, are expressed in Arabic by substantives, taking the primary substantives, to which they are attached, in the genitive, such as http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/4.gif It is always in construct.
When used elliptically-extremely concise in writing, it always has the "nunation of compensation"When the first radical is accusative it refers to whole entity - all by himself/itself ? http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/19.gif Noun/Quasi Active participle Singular, masculine; nominative; and http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif Verbal Noun Indefinite; accusative, referring to a person who is not only all by himself but in biological relationship also has only one surviving parent and may have only one son.
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(1270).htm
For detailed analysis of http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/00090.%20a%20Kull%20Kaaf%20Laam%20Laam/12.gif please read here
http//haqeeqat.pk/Economics-Inheritance.htm
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Salam/Peace.
It seems there is a root word that is missing it's meaning in PRL
Nun-Kaf-Lam =
ankal n.m. (pl. of nikl) 7312
nakal n.m. 266, 538, 7925
nakkala vb. (2) n.vb. 484
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, pages 292 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=nkl
No meaning is sighted sadly.
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In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (د, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL
Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.
ba'uda vb. (1)
perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706
ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419
ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101
LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d
Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262
http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png
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In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (د, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL
Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.
ba'uda vb. (1)
perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706
ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419
ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101
LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d
Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262
http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/3.gif
(1)2120(2)2164(3)2178(4)2181(5)2259(6)308(7)380( 382(9)386(10)390(11)3100(12)3106 (13)4165(14)512(15)532(16)594(17)5108(1668(1)671 (20)756(21)785(22)789(23)806(24)928 (25)966(26)974(27)9115(21032(29)1110(30)1245(31)1337(32)1665(33)1670(34)1691(35) 1694(36)2157(37)2315(32455(39)2529(40)2711(41)2887(42) 3019(43)3024(44)3050(45)3432 (46)3509(47)3888(44241(49)4505(50)4506(51)4911(52)5717(53)6501(54)6507(55)6604(56) 6813(57)7930=57
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Red is NOT a phrase. The second element of is elided since in the context it is explicit. after having reached them the Hadith of Allah and His verbal passages.
Root
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n
a) Total occurrences 235
b) No of constructions 28
It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.
Nouns 25 Recurrence 232 Verbs 3
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That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.
Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm
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Salam/Peace. I have noticed something in 594
594
Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi
This is because they challenged God and His messenger. And whoever challenges God, then God is severe in punishment.Now in the red is shaqqoo (ا & yushaqqi (ق and i happened to check the root word and none of it in PRL mention challange
Shiin-Qaf-Qaf = pass along the way, cross, open a way/passage/vent/channel, cut/split/divided/clave/ripped/tore.
shaqqa vb. (1)
perf. act. 8026
impf. act. 2827
n.vb. 8026
pcple. act. 1334shiqq n.m. 167
shuqqah n.f. 942
shaqqa vb. (3)
perf. act. 813, 4732, 594
impf. act. 4115, 813, 1627, 594
n.vb. 2137, 2176, 435, 1189, 2253, 382, 4152tashaqqaqa vb. (5) impf. act. 274, 2525, 5044
inshaqqa vb. (7)
perf. act. 541, 5537, 6916, 841
impf. act. 1990LL, V4, p 299, 300, 301, 302, 303 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shqq
I also check Lane's Lexicon and i think did find something like in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf
You can check the pages of Shiin-Qaf-Qaf in Lane's Lexicon if i missed something
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000299.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000302.pdf
http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000303.pdf
I dont know if it's really a mistranslation or something. Hoping you could me in this linguistic issue since my Quranic Arabic is lacking.
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Peace The Sardar
Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
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Peace The Sardar
Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
My understanding.
GOD bless you.
Peace.It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.
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It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.
Root
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n
a) Total occurrences 28
b) No of constructions 20
Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17
Ibn Faris stated
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That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm
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Root
Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n
a) Total occurrences 28
b) No of constructions 20
Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17
Ibn Faris stated
( ة
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That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm
Okay so it depends on the situation then. Like in 591-4
I shall place the arabic text of 591-4
591
Sabbaha lillahi ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu592
Huwa allathee akhraja allatheenakafaroo min ahli alkitabi min diyarihim li-awwalialhashri ma thanantum an yakhrujoo wathannooannahum maniAAatuhum husoonuhum mina Allahifaatahumu Allahu min haythu lam yahtasiboowaqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba yukhriboonabuyootahum bi-aydeehim waaydee almu/mineena faiAAtabiroo yaolee al-absari593
Walawla an kataba AllahuAAalayhimu aljalaa laAAaththabahum fee alddunyawalahum fee al-akhirati AAathabu alnnari594
Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi -
Salam!
I am confused about the below word
(867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
(171) the word (asra) is derived from the rootHow is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?
Peace!
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http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif
This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594
Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun
The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.
This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger
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Salam!
I am confused about the below word
(867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
(171) the word (asra) is derived from the rootHow is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?
Peace!
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1
The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
1701An example but from same Root
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2 -
Salam Dear Mazhar!
You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = ن are different than .
I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.Peace!
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Salam Dear Mazhar!
You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = ن are different than .
I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.Peace!
is broken plural; is singular.
You cannot show example of its use as a verb
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif
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اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gifBroken plural? That's a first for me.
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Peace The Sardar.
I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
But I like the entertainment.
OK it is serious stuff.
GOD bless you both.
Peace.
