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That (40 billion) is a typo, right? It isn't???

The previous link was broken. The new link is below. Below post your comments there. http//www.opednews.com/articles/Poor-Cohen-versus-Bad-Ahma-by-Edip-Yuksel-090102-615.html Peace, Edip

Hello, I'm new to this web-site and i wasn't very sure on what Islam is. I have heard two things, Islam is either a city, or a religeon. One of my friends said that Islam was inside Isreal, and are no match for the sheer AWESOMENESS of the Jews... I have also heard that they were a form of Judaism, but DEFINENTALLY less important... I think that the Jews should kick the muslims out of their religeon, or out of their contry.... From what i have heard islam SUCKS EGGS!!!!! Please help me understand the true meaning of the word Islam, and what it is..... THANKS A LOT! voodoo That was ISLAM.... (the doll being stabbed!!!!!) Islam according to the English dictionary is one thing, according to the original arabic... something totally different. Would one like to refer to the arabic or the English?

"The NT writings did not become canonical because they were believed to be uniquely inspired; rather, they were judged to be inspired because they had previously commended themselves to the church for other, more particular and practical reasons." Interesting.

"...my lecture at Oxford University" Explain that one. I gave myself 42 out of 45. The questionaire is extremely biased. And anyone can tell that the questioner got bored after Question 15.

These kind of things make me nervous. I am aware that some Koranist see themselves as reformist and might want to get involved. But this involvement can not be just for "Muslims". That label scares me sometimes as it signals a dissident move against Sunnism rather than a movement for mankind. I guess my experience with Ahmed Subhi Mansour and his organization makes me very suspicious of reform movement because it is always only concerned with 'Muslims". I believe the Koran is a message for mankind and its our duty to reform Muslims but also Jews, Christians, Hindus and atheist by propagating the Koran and its message. I want to be honest. What I fear most is that many Koranist will find it is easier to influence "Muslims" since they already accept the authority of the Koran and then try to use that influence to gain recognition among the masses. We saw some of that with Rashad Khalifa. We need to make sure that we clearly define what is meant by Muslims and who are the target audience we are trying to influence. The Koran has a universal message and we should target Americans as a whole. I don't live there but I think thats what being a Koranist should be about. I still believe its a good idea but we must fight sectarianism by universalism and not create a dissident movement in the Sunni world and get support from feminist and secular forces within the Muslim world simply because eleminating hadith makes their problem easier. Having said that Edip is a respected Koranist and has been one of its biggest activist so i would support whatever he does.

What does this verse has to do with our discussion? You are talking nonsense. I want you to make a new thread and see how others will react. This won't be pretty. I have read your posts. Your bizarre conclusions are not exclusive to this thread I guess. Its not bizarre its just taking the verses as implying a more hidden meaning than the outer meaning. There are verses like that, the problem is when you interpret all the Koran that way and refuse to accept any other interpretation.

Salaam, I have been reading a book by Zacharia Sitchin about the Sumerians and their history. Apparently there are actual stone tablets describing many things to do with the history of mankind, the 'Anunnaki', even stories that are along the same lines as the old testament ie, the flood. I want to know if there has been real authentication to these tablets and who has them now? Who is studying them? Is there anything in the Qu'ran about the Anunnaki, who were an group of beings of a higher intelligence and who changed our DNA to speed up our evolution process. And who gave mankind information about science, astrology and math. If it is true, is it possible to accept this possibility but yet realize that God sent messengers to set the record straight about who he is and that worshipping these other 'Anunnaki' (who would be deemed as gods in their time) is false. Apparently these Annunaki came to enslave us and demanded worship and sacrifice. Did God set us straight so we could be free from them, realizing almighty God's ultimate power?? They are Thousands of Annunakis on earth as gods and demigods throughout the third world countries, mainly in indian subcontinent and eastern countries. And as for the intelligence the very first man was taught the wisdom of everything in the heavens and in the earth and everything in between. And then the prophet Ibrahim who scanned the heavens and the earth to realize who God is, much before he was transformed as the Prophet. Before the Signs of Allah, the maths, science, geography, astrology and human sources of material knowledge are mere dummies. The histories are mostly 'his-stories'. I have so many questions about this issue, I like to dig deep into history and find sources of culture, religious practice and traditions. If there is a real truth to these tablets, I want to follow the best sources. Can anyone advise me where to search? The Qu'ran? Well educated scholars? Books? Reflecting upon the ayats of Quran in the name of The Knower, The Wise, shall surely pave the way for realizing the thought for the light of the future and liveliness in life. By the way, all of this ancient history lies in the middle east, wouldn't it be a huge part of Islamic and/or Arabic knowledge? In my opinion there is no nothing like islamic or arabic knowledge; if there is something for the mankind from God it is the invisible wisdom, from which the form of knowledge is yet to take shape for creating the material things. Or is it all being brushed under the rug? Zacharia Sitchin seems to have really dug it up and apparently he's an esteemed scholar in the feild, and he's German. I believe in learning correct history and I don't want to be strung along by biased opinions. If anything I might just go and study myself as much as I can. Have a great day and thanks if you can help handshake handshake .

The self delusion that plagues both sides in this bloody conflict Robert Fisk ? Independent.co.uk December 31, 2008 "They waste bullets. They fire all these bullets into the sky. They should use them to shoot at Israelis." His point, of course, was that Hamas lacked discipline, the kind of iron, ruthless discipline Hamas ? like all the other Palestinian outfits ? is infected with spies, some working for the Palestinian Authority, others for the Israelis. One common feature of Middle East wars is the ability of all the antagonists to suffer from massive self-delusion. crossed the border, they were faced down by the Hizbollah. In some cases, Israeli soldiers actually ran back to their own frontier. These are realities. The chances of war, however, may be less easier to calculate. If Israel indefinitely continues its billion dollar blitz on Gaza ? and we all know who is paying for that ? there will, at some stage, be an individual massacre; a school will be hit, a hospital or a pre-natal clinic or just an apartment packed with civilians. In other words, another Qana. At which point, a familiar story will be told; that Hamas destroyed the school/hospital/pre-natal clinic, that the journalists who report on the slaughter are anti-Semitic, that Israel is under threat, etc. And Hamas ? which never had the courage to admit it killed two Palestinian girls with one of its own rockets last week ? will cynically make profit from the grief with announcements of war crimes and "genocide". At which point, the deeply despised and lame old UN donkey will be clip-clopped onto the scene to rescue the Israeli army and Hamas from this disgusting little war. Of course, saner minds may call all this off before the inevitable disaster. But I doubt it Dear brothers, Could any one clarify as to the reasons why 'the reality' described by the author is allowed by the Almighty God. A good part of the reason is very much evident from the article paraphrased above as quote. To me what comes to my mind is 4 147 What can Allah gain by your punishment, if ye are grateful and ye believe? Nay, it is Allah that recognizes, and Knows all things. 7 165 When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression. 7 167 Behold! thy Lord did declare that He would send against them, to the Day of Judgment, those who would afflict them with grievous penalty. Thy Lord is quick in retribution, but He is also Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. We only are willing to earn the sympathy of the people which is not at all our need to liberate the home from the oppressors and occupiers. We want the sympathy and forgiveness of Allah to be free from branded as 'the guilty' by the United Notorious (UN) ganged up by the criminal world infested by the leeches. Allah has not allowed victory for us until this day, why? We are not yet muslims but we claim ourselves muslims thus advancing before Allah's Leave 49 1. Let us seek with forgiveness from Allah be prayerful in the depth of hearts all the time as " O God! Make us Muslims!" Palestine massacre may be an eye opener for the rest of the claimants adjudging themselves 'as muslims'. We have to fear Allah for without His Leave no event takes place either in the heavens or in the earth or amongst you. Going by this we come to the conclusion that Allah has no forgiveness for those who call themselves muslims when they are actually not. If we are muslims we will not be in splinter groups but united One. Then The One would have come to our help and rendered us a Victory never to be forgotten by the infidels ever. The good samaritans, The Muslims would have inherited the world by now. 'Muslims' seek friendship and hold friendship with those who are Allah's enemies e.g Saudi Arabia, much against Allah's warnings 58 14 Have you not seen those who befriend a people with whom Allah is wroth? They are neither of you nor of them, and they swear falsely while they know. 58 15 Allah has prepared for them a severe Penalty evil indeed are their deeds. If only the rest of the so called muslim nations such as Iran and Pakistan stopped calling themselves 'muslims' when they are not. 68 35 - 40 Shall We then treat 'the muslims' like the Guilty? What is the matter with you? How do you judge? Or have you a book wherein you read? That you have surely therein what you choose? Or have you received from Us an agreement confirmed by an oath extending to the day of resurrection that you shall surely have what you demand? Ask them which of them will vouch for that? O God, save amongst us who you wish to save and show us the straight path; the path of those who you favoured; and not that of those on who were your wrath and who you have allowed to go astray. Salaams brothers and sisters.

I voted other. The group of people who are most merciful, kind, and accepting of me happen to be my immediate family members. Maybe this falls under the category of "people who you know rather then don't know"? Even though the town I live in has its share of people with prejudices, I haven't yet found myself in situations where my individuality has been accepted based soley on ethnic background, skin colour, or religion.

Well, I'm not knowledgable on the history of the Arabs. What I understand about the term Semite is mainly linguistic which would mean that Arabic is a Semitic language though I do know that the term came from 'Shem'. I'm not clear on the ethnicity issues and lineage. There have been genetic studies done but I'm not too sure of the results.

. salaam 'feel' is merely a signal, a sign, or an 'ayat'. but who does give us 'feel'? who gives us the 'feel' of being thirsty? who gives us the 'feel' of being hungry? who gives us the 'feel' of being ill? who gives us the 'feel' of being elated? who gives us the 'feel' of being right or wrong? who gives us the 'feel' of being alive? Joe Betik, A 'feel' is the deed accomplished and endowed. 'Feel' by itself is God-Informed Blessing. Once we receive a feel, we do not have to ask by mouth; but thereafter have belief in the feel and seek for patience and perseverance in belief. 14 34 And He has given you of all that you ask Him; and if you count Allah's favors, you will not be able to number them; most surely man is very unjust, very ungrateful. Strip the mouth and let the heart and the mind Feel the 'feel'; and pray for more with gratitude to Allah. If we have such response to Allah's favours, then Allah says 4 147 Allah does not in anyway benefit by putting you to stress and distress if you believe and be grateful. Believe and do good deeds. This is the only prayer Allah teaches in the whole of Quran. Please put in your revelations (views); do not allow this topic to wean and wane. May Allah's Blessings be ever upon us. .

there seems to be version 2 of the same site http//revelation-v2.blogspot.com/

Hi Rami, Cows in the quran http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13482.0 You know the quran is for guiding us to being better individuals hmm .

What problem with eclipses...? Forget that. Edip clarified it. It seems that are major problems with the idea that the Earth moves. the bendover earth (alleged 'tilt' of the earth's axis - a desperately needed heliocentric variable that has no basis in the physical world where the sun simply spirals from the Tropic of Cancer to the Tropic of Capricorn annually. Both of these tropic latitude lines are not tilted - they are at a 0? angle (= parallel) to the equator. The word "tropic" itself comes from the Greek term tropos, meaning turn, referring to the fact that the sun "turns back" at these lines that aren't tilted in any way, the earth supposedly jittering around the sun at various speed levels (it orbits at a faster speed at one time, and then it goes relatively slower at another - then back faster again) but somehow, all this alleged speed-change remains unnoticeable), the moon also being dragged along exactly at those same speed levels (100% complete synchronization with the wobbly earth despite being hundreds of thousands of miles away from it(!) Now how about that?, even atmospheric gas (the air) being attached to the earth's surface (again completely synchronized but somehow (simultaneously) free-flowing enough to blow in every direction). These are just samples of the never shown, never detected, never scientifically observed absurdities that are required to save the appearances of the heliocentric model. Peace

Selam Edip, Kerem, the admin of alrahman.de, already informed me about Taslaman, and I asked him a few questions, but get unfortunately no response.

peace! maybe you should see more to get the bigger picture. a picture big enought to become able to draw paralleels... why I posted it, is that I see, what They are saying in this film, the very same as what is sayd in the reading. have some patience, if you will peace!

salam brother. this is not on topic, anyway in the eternal return all returns O0 so thanks for the suggestion, religio perennis is a new name to my ears. but not gnosis. i know it and i think his approach is not the last step of understanding. be careful gnosis can lead you to elitarism, elitarism is division, any division compromises the perception of the true tawhid. and open your heart to the dark side of the force! voodoo the reasons of this thoughts are in the name The Living One. God bless ya

Salaams All, Here is its usage also; Waallatheena ijtanaboo alttaghootaan yaAAbudooha waanaboo ila Allahilahumu albushra fabashshir AAibadi Tahir ul Qadri Yousuf Ali Those who eschew Evil,- and fall not into its worship,- and turn to Allah (in repentance),- for them is Good News so announce the Good News to My Servants, Various meanings of Janaba, the actual word in the ayah 56 is JUNUBAN- I think http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000103.pdf http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume2/00000104.pdf I wouldn?t say it is a wash after sex and that is it , its actually recognising and doing away with anything harmful to you or others. ? but that is my understanding. Look around at the people who don't take a bath after sex in cold climates, how is it bad for them- i would have thought a bath after a hard hot day is very beneficial or when ever you are foul. Salaams All.

Salaams All, Putting the quran to one side. Is there anybody here who doesn't believe that present day Islam is the invention of the Hindu masters? APRECIATE any counter thoughts. peace