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Peace be upon you Brother, So if you are saying daytime is when there is light, do you mean twilight is daytime too? I still dont understand where you classify twilight. Let me organize it this way Day= Period when you can see the FULL Sun at the horizon at sunrise until you can see the FULL SUN at the horizon at sunset Twilight= Dawn and Dusk, the time period starting with dusk when the sun begins to be covered by the horizon, until there is no more glimpse of the suns light coming out of the horizon. Same way with sunrise, from the time when light becomes visable above the horizon until just before you can see the FULL SUN. Night= No sunlight at all

Peace to all, here is a portion of a book by G. A. Parwez translated by Khalid M. Sayyed that provides an explanation of the apparent contradiction. Two verses from An-Nisa In this regard, two ?verses? from Sura An-Nisa are quite significant. Talking about the ?reverse? mentality of a certain group of the Prophet?s era, the Quran says ?when they are in a pleasant situation, they attribute it to Allah, but blame the Prophet for their troubles. Tell them ?everything is from Allah? (?s law) 4/78. Further, it says ?What is (wrong) with them? They don?t try to understand. Remember, the pleasantness you get is from Allah and your troubles are from you yourselves? (4/79). There is an apparent contradiction here. One verse says the good and the bad all come from Allah, whereas the other verse appears to say the good is from Allah but the bad is from Man. The apparent contradiction can actually be resolved thus i) All events- good or bad - occur according to natural (Allah?s) laws ( &#1607. ii) Allah?s Law - if followed - shall bring good to you - but iii) If you follow the path of your own choice (other than Allah?s), the natural result will be trouble. Simply put, then, all events (actions) bear results pre-determined by Allah?s law. If one follows the natural (Allah?s suggested) course, one benefits. Otherwise (when one defies the divine law) the natural consequence is tragedy. Therefore, all good is from Allah whereas evil is brought upon Man by himself. This point shall be elaborated later in the book under a separate heading of ?Good and Evil?. Misconceptions We can conclude, therefore, that (i) to attribute a tragedy to Allah is not only erroneous factually but is blaming Allah wrongfully. When people try to philosophize a tragedy by utterances like ?Man proposes and God disposes, ?His is all powerful. He can do whatever, whenever He wants?, ?Only He knows why He does what He does?, etc. they project an image of a lawless, irregular and unreasonable Allah, and (ii) all Man?s efforts and endeavors are furtile and all events occur because of (a whimsical Allah). This reduces Man to a bound, will-less creature. GOOD and EVIL No other problem has given mankind more anxiety than the question of Good and Evil. Being an inseparable part of the bigger question of fate and destiny, this problem has been one of high priority for philosophers as well as people of religion. In this regard, the well-known dilemma attributed to St. Thomas Aquinas is If Evil exists by the will of God, He cannot be all good; and if Evil exists despite His will, He is not all powerful. Since I have not set myself in this book the task of examining the question of destiny philosophically, I shall not trace the human intellectual endeavors in this regard. (1) It will be suffice to discuss it from the common man?s perspective. It is said that Gautum (Buddha), the crown prince of a royal household, had a very sensitive and humane disposition. He noticed the norm of the strong controlling and oppressing the weak, both in the animal as well as the human world. He concluded that life was just a misery. Hence, it is to be shunned to the point of complete disinterest to achieve a state of freedom from life?s troubles (Nirvaan). Gautum?s philosophy has dominated Man?s thinking for almost 2,500 years! The principle emanating from this philosophy is that Matter is quagmire for the human soul. The span of worldly life must be spent to liberate the soul from its ?imprisonment?. This can be done by shunning life ---- rejecting pleasures, refusing desires, and doing grueling body (Yoga) exercises. That is MYSTICISM. Indian philosophers noticing the social & economic inequality in human societies, arrived at the notion of re-incarnation --- one is rewarded or punished in life on the basis of one?s previous life. This was nothing more than the ancient Greek idea of ?Transmigration of Soul?; the Indians have simply borrowed Christianity?s ?ORIGINAL SIN'. Some thinkers came to the thesis that Man is intrinsically evil. Christianity formulated the concept of the original sin by Adam and Eve in Paradise. Therefore, Man, born with sin, must absolve himself through believing in Christ and Crucifixion. Persian thinkers theorized about two universal forces eternally at war with one another - Ahrman (darkness) and Yazdaan (light). They are engaged in the struggle of good and evil. This theory of dualism, being the religion of the ancient Persian Magig, is attributed to Zoarastra. The very concept of two opposite warring forces is the origin of the theory of DIALECTISM of Hegel, the famous German philosopher. That, in turn, is the basis of the economic theories of Marx. Yet another ideology claims the non-existence of opposing forces, attributes like right / left, above / below, etc. Thus, only good exists. Contrary to this is Shaupenhaur?s ideology of pessimism claiming that only evil exists. This echoes the Buddhist philosophy. Shaupenhaur fell a victim to pessimism as any intelligent but nervous person would. Yet another school of thought claims good and evil to be individual relative human impressions rather than real. For instance, a cyclone (or flood) coming to an uninhabited jungle is not termed ?evil? but it is very much so when it ravages a human settlement. Better still, a dark night is evil for the robbed but good for the robber. These, then, are the various, confusing, conflicting human ideologies about good and evil. Let us now see what the Quran has to say on this intriguing question. The Quranic Philosophy About physical events, termed . natural evil?, the Quran says ?We have not created the skies and the earth and what is between them (the Universe), but rightfully (&#1602? (15/75). The many-faceted word Haq here means something constructive. Contrarily, ?? (wrong) means destructive. Therefore, the Quran pronounces the universe constructive (good) as a whole. It has been seen that there are countless FORCES OF NATURE at play according to Allah?s law. We have also seen that Man has the potential of discovering and harnessing those forces ? ?Whatever is between the skies and the earth is rendered harnessable for you (all)? (45/13). Until the discovery of physical laws governing a force (SCIENCE), it remains uncontrolled and destructive. It becomes constructive when harnessed. Many forces of Nature were awesomely destructive during Man?s infancy. They become constructively useful as they were gradually harnessed through scientific work. The Quran felicitates men who approach the Universe with a scientific mind and make discoveries and thus help probe the rightfulness of the Universe and its forces. IN PRAISE OF RESEARCHERS Sura Aal-e-Imran says ?There are great signs of the Truth in the Universe and in the cycle of day & night for those who use their mental faculties wisely. That is, for those who keep in view Allah?s law in every facet of life, standing, sitting or even lying down; ponder deeply over the structure of the Universe and discover enough truth to say out loud ?O our Preserver! You haven?t produced (all) this wrongfully. You are too exalted to have produced it so. (It is our ignorance which brings calamities upon us). Grant us the potential to (discover and utilize the Universe through scientific application and thus) save ourselves from destruction (and calamities).? Nations ignoring scientific work remain deprived of the good that there is; their actions go wasted; they remain down-trodden. Clearly, such people do not get help from any quarter!? (3/189-191). The Quran terms such researchers as ULEMA (the knowledgeable) (35/27-2. Man?s efforts to provide practical proof for ?O our Preserver! You haven?t produced (all) this wrongfully? have harnessed the hitherto awesomely destructive forces of Nature --- and considered ?evil? --- and have rendered them useful, constructive and ?good?. Rain water is flood if not controlled but is a revitalizing life source when harnessed. Uncontrolled fire is another such force. Yet another example is a wide variety of poisonous creatures (snakes, scorpions, etc.) which are now a valuable source of antidotes. The author?s own experience I take the liberty of citing my own personal experience in this regard. After I have had a successful surgical operation in 1964, I experienced an accidental hemorrhage. All the expert, sincere efforts of the physician (1) were in vain. I fainted. People around me, including the physician, gave up hope. My breath going, the doctor gave me an injection as a last resort. The bleeding stopped and I gradually came to, returning from the very edge of life. Later, the physician told me about the wonder-drug he had used. It was REPTILASE, an antidote made from snake poison! ?O our Preserver! You haven?t created (all) this wrongfully!? By the way, my experience is not unique or extraordinary. A visit to a chemist?s can provide ample evidence of this phenomenon. The Question of Pain Pain in considered by some as the ultimate example of evil. But medical experts point out the usefulness of the phenomenon of pair; it is actually the warning signals sent out by a body when it malfunctions. In the absence of pain, one would not be aware of a physical or physiological problem until it is too late. Pain is a blessing in disguise! The Right Measure It is equally important for mankind to discover the correct measure of substances for maximum benefit. A glass-full of water gives life; huge amounts of water causes death by drowning. Arsenic in minute quantities is revitalizing but kills in large doses. Use of substances in right quantity is of immense importance. It is so effectively proved by the Homeopathic system of medicine where treatment is based upon this principle of ?the right dose?. Homeopathy is living proof of the maxim that all things in the Universe are essentially ?good?. They become ?evil? when they are in the ?wrong? quantity?. This should explain clearly the Quranic verses (113/1-2). One must be careful of the evil in things. A thing becomes ?good? or ?evil? according to its use by Man. Sura Aal-e-Imran states this principal in (3/25) to say Allah has created ?Good? alone and He has measures / standards for all things. This principle reminds one of the verse (4/79) in Sura Nisa The ?good? you get is from Allah and the ?evil? you get is of your own doing. Verse (4/7 says ?Say Everything is from Allah?. (all actions bear results in accordance with Nature?s law). Also, in (28/60), it says ?Whatever (you) get from Allah is ?good? and permanent?. (if you follow Nature?s law, you will get good for ever). Sura Beni Israel says ?When We bless Man with Our bounties, he acts indifferent; when he is in problems, he is frustrated? (17/83; 41/51). Elsewhere, the Quran says ?When We give Man a taste of bounty, he gets carried away. When he begets problems from his own doing, he gets depressed (and disappointed)? (30/36; 42/4. Sura Aaraaf says ?Fertile land yields well (by Allah?s law) whereas bad land not so well? (7/5. MORAL GOOD & EVIL So for we have discussed the physical universe and its properties. In the human world, however, good and evil demonstrate another diversion. A sword has the basic property of cutting (throats), but the different motives of sword-wielding men (a tyrant and a champion of the oppressed) produce opposing results in human society. Yet another example is the use of human faculty of mind which can be used either to deceive or to safeguard against deception. The question, then, is how to determine the (good or evil) nature of an act in human human social situations. Decidedly, human reason cannot provide the answer --- it is simply impossible for it to be objective. The source beyond human reason is Allah?s Word which has already determined the standards of good and evil ? the Permanent Values. When Man follows the permanent values established by Allah?s Message, good occurs. Otherwise, evil happens. A society negating permanent values (relying on human reason alone) is called the Wrong System (&#1604 because it results in evil. Such a society utilizes the Universe according to human reason which is guided by human emotions which are really instincts inherited from Man?s animalistic phase (self preservation, self-aggression, etc.). Self-preservation, for example, on the group level, actually means preservation of one?s nation. It is not hard to imagine the chaos resulting from this attitude by various nations all over the globe. Mankind is currently going through the hell of nationalism and the resulting chaos of selfish and ruthless human societies that we have today --- ?its sparks spread (all round)? (76/. Ignoring permanent values results in division of mankind not only on the global but also on a national level. Rich and poor classes are created and become permanent and hereditary. A particular life-style is pre-decided for a child according to the social class it is born in. It is not surprising, by the way that Hindu clergy explained the socio-economic disparity of humanity through the philosophy of reincarnation. Allah?s Will? The viewpoint opposite to this theory attributed the social differences to God who was the architect of Man?s socio-economic status ? fate! Drummed up through ages, this ideology became one of the firm tenants of faith for the common man. This propaganda was deliberate. It aimed at keeping the masses ignorant of the real cause of socio-economic disparity --- the unfair system established by the ?haves? (rulers, clergy, capitalists) to perpetuate their privileged social position to rule and control the multitudes of ?have-nots?. The Quran is a source of ?good? Let us now refer back to the verse which attributes all good to Allah and all evil to Man. The permanent Values needed to achieve ?good? are preserved in the Quran. Sura An-Nahal says ?They (who oppose) ask those who adhere (to the system)? What has your Preserver sent down? They reply ?good? ? (16/30). Thus, Allah is the source of ?good?. So is the code of life (the Quran) given by him. Therefore, ?good? comes from Allah and ?evil? comes from Man! This is further explained in the same verse ?Those who are (true to permanent values of) ?good? in this life have good in the hereafter? (16/30). This brings to light another definition of ?good?. Good and Evil (Profit and Loss) can be quite clearly seen (as material gain and loss) in the realm of physical (animalistic) life. As such, nothing is permanently good or evil. That status changes under changing circumstances --- milk is good if one is healthy but not when one is down with flue etc.; (a glass of) water is good but (a pitcher-full of it is) evil under other condition. Therefore, good and evil are relative (not absolute). At the human level of life, however, Good and Evil have a different standard i.e. good is which develops and integrates the human personality; evil is that disintegrates and damages it, since the human personality is non-physical, too. For instance, the Evil in poison can be readily observed, but the Evil is falsehood in beyond observation. The standard of Good and Evil for the human personality, therefore is the Permanent Values (Morality). Morals are exclusive to Man. They are non-existent in the rest of the Animal Kingdom. Morality has no basis in a society which does not accept the existence of the human personality. Such a (materialistic and secular) society has social and / or legal laws which keep the social fabric intact. Generally, such laws are erroneously referred to as morals ? lying, cheating, etc. In essence, however, they are social rules not moral code. For example, a person in a secular (materialistic) society will think (1) nothing of lying if it is beneficial and can go undetected by the society?s law-enforcing apparatus. Contrarily, a person who accepts the existence of the human personality does not lie under any circumstances. Such abstention from falsehood aims at preserving the integrity of the human personality. That is morality. From the Quranic perspective, the definition of a person of high moral character (the best behavior) is ?The one who rejects material benefits in order to preserve permanent values (to benefit one?s personality)?. As against the materialistic (secular) societies, the code of morality for the human personality are permanent. Adhering to this code generates absolute Good, ignoring it results in absolute Evil, i. e., for example (i) fraud will always be evil, (ii) fraud will always be evil, whatever its nature of gravity, (iii) fraud will always be evil, regardless of changing times or circumstances. Permanent Values (pertaining to the human personality) are permanent, unchanging and absolute. Since the concept of permanent values is non-existent in a ?wrong? (non-Quranic) society, a member of it who tries to adhere to and follow such values often incurs material losses. In the face of such a clash, mysticism suggests rejection of the (material) world as the way out. This attitude is self-deceptive. One just cannot ignore the world one lives in. The Quran?s suggestion under such circumstances is to create a society on the basis of Permanent Values ? to ensure good for one?s body ? ? (the worldly benefits) as well as for one?s personality ? ? (the benefit of hereafter). Therefore, the Absolute Good, according to the Quran, is that which provides good in the physical as well as the personal realm. The opposite is, of course, Absolute Evil. The meaning of verse (16/30) of Sura Nahal should now be very clear which talks about ? ? and ?" in the hereafter. Such a social system is termed ad-Deen by the Quran. To summarize what we have said so far ?The Materialistic (secular) concept of life caters only for the physical side of Man. Ad-Deen opposes this. ?Mysticism advocates rejection of the physical side of Man. Ad-Deen opposes this, too. ?Ad-Deen (the Quranic ) concept of life caters for the physical as well as the personal side of Man. This is absolute Good. This Absolute Good is achievable through conviction (&#1606 and proper deeds (&#1609, or in other words, by having unshakable trust in Allah and the human personality and leading a life according to Permanent Values. Sura Baqara says ? If they become convinced and lead a proper life, they?ll get Good from Allah. Only if they knew!? (2/103). Such people have been called abraar (&#1585 in (3/19, i. e., those who enjoy the bounties of (the physical) life as well as of (the human) personality. Sura Nahal asks the convinced not to ?sell? (ignore) a permanent value for material benefits, if they want to have Good from Allah, (16/95). The not-so-convinced prefer the material gain in a clash of values. This misconception is mentioned in Sura Baqara ?It may be that you ignore what is actually good for you and want what is actually evil. Allah knows and you know not? - (don?t depend upon your own knowledge of good and evil. Go by Allah?s knowledge) - (2/216). The most difficult time in a clash of material and permanent values is when it involves losing one?s life. This is termed as Jihaad (or Qitaal). On such an occasion, the Quran asks the convinced to readily offer life because ?That is good for you if you (really know? (9/41). Men cannot sometime see the truth because material benefits are readily achievable and the Good takes a while in materializing. Such men are hasty (17/11). Self assessment A clash between physical interests and those of the personality is the time for one to not only test oneself of one?s conviction but also to spur oneself on the path of Ad-Deen. This is termed as iblaa by the Quran. The ultimate testing time comes with potential death during such clashes (21/35; 67/2). This is why the Quran wants one to always exclusively adhere to Ad-deen. A complete negation of permanent vales, therefore, is more destructive because of a complete lack of knowledge of real good and evil. Summary Good and Evil are results of Man?s actions alone. If he employs his capabilities to deal with Nature in accordance with Permanent Values, Good results. Otherwise, Evil is produced. Nature?s Law of Deeds decides on Man?s success and failure to the last iota (99/8-9; also 2/110; 2/215; 27/89; 28/80; 73/20). Allah has NOT pre-decided success (good) or failure (evil) for Man. What He has pre-determined is the Law both for the physical and the personal aspects (in this life as well as in the hereafter).

Same goes for dhikr. What is dhikr good for? Why do we always have to remember Allah? Some people do good things although they do not believe in God, but they abide with law, reputation, principles, ego, human rights..etc. dhikrul-laah is greater than whatever dictates our behaviour. OK. If you don't claim that implies that dhikr is greater than salat, then there is no need for further arguments between us. Peace

As salamu alaykum wr wb. Respectfully. I think you're right The God will decide what that was - a sin or not, The God is the Only Judge here, right? Anyways, you should avoid such situations where you know you might get tempted or touched or start thinking of you-know-what. The only thing is can tell you is this get married and your wife will give you a massage. InshaAllah. I think that experience will be much better. May The God Almighty helps us all. As salamu alaykum wr wb.

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Transliteration Waalbudna jaAAalnaha lakum min shaAAa-iri Allahi lakum feeha khayrun faothkuroo isma Allahi AAalayha sawaffa fa-itha wajabat junoobuha fakuloo minha waatAAimoo alqaniAAa waalmuAAtarra kathalika sakhkharnaha lakum laAAallakum tashkuroona literal And the fattened camel/cow (for sacrifice), We made it for you from God's methods/ways of worship, for you in it (is) goodness , so remember/mention God's name on it (when it is) lined/arranged in a row, so if it fell down and died (was sacrificed and fell on) its sides, so eat from it and feed the humble asker that is content with little or much , and the poor/needy/poorest, as/like that We manipulated/subjugated it for you, maybe/perhaps you thank/be grateful. In arabic Jamal is camel. I don't see that in the translitteration. btw if you want an awesome site for Quran go to http//yaqb.org/ It has many translations (12 I think) The only fall is the search option isn't the best and you have to manually go to the verse by pressing next over and over to get to the correct page... however I like to use this because of so many translations

Salaams to you, Have you ever seen people press/ squeeze wine ? I have NEVER! Wadakhala maAAahu alssijna fatayaniqala ahaduhuma innee aranee aAAsirukhamran waqala al-akharu innee aranee ahmilufawqa ra/see khubzan ta/kulu alttayru minhu nabbi/nabita/weelihi inna naraka mina almuhsineena Now with him there came into the prison two young men. Said one of them "I see myself (in a dream) pressing wine." said the other "I see myself (in a dream) carrying bread on my head, and birds are eating, thereof." "Tell us" (they said) "The truth and meaning thereof for we see thou art one that doth good (to all)." Just a quick retranslation shows The young lad did enter private/ covered/ matters, poked his nose where he shouldn't have so he was imprisoned and was thus released afterwards as Joseph told him he would be, Joseph new the Egyptian law so was able to give the resultant punishment due. God Bless all.

I've recently been delving into Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu (Laozi) and 'tao' can be described as 'road', 'path', 'way', 'means', and 'doctrine'. Kind of reminds me of the straight path. There's a lot a Muslim can agree with in Tao Te Ching, and some they will not. The same with alot of spiritual beliefs really, and we know how origins can change and be distorted over time, so it would not surprise me if spiritual beliefs that were started by people who were inspired by God, and their messages were changed and tweaked slightly over time (the victor re-writes history, people that die are overhyped or demonised, etc, etc). Or maybe even that some of the people that were inspired managed to tap into the universal Truth in some areas but not in others, they caught only a glimpse of Islam, not all the messengers were perfect right? We're only human, not everyone can tap their full being into the universal Truth like Jesus or Muhammad, etc. When I read a profound and enlightening verse from Tao Te Ching, or even Art of War, for example, I'm reading it through a Muslim's eyes, and I dont feel like I'm picking out just what I agree with from the source text, but I feel that the author seemingly picked out the right Way when he wrote what he did, his other verses that I might not agree with dont negate that fact or the rest of the material. Magi has a good point too in that we assume a lot of the time one person is responsible for originating a spiritual belief but in fact maybe lots of people contributed to it over time and then we get the final product now, with one alleged author. So, all that matters I guess is what you take from it, rather than the hows or whys of its origin. All about the message at the end of the day. Just my random thoughts of the day, anyway.

Salaam Leena, I'm a vegan and like you Islam did not start that path for me, but has strengthened it. While I dont see the idea of eating animals necessarily wrong, I do find the process in which they do it here in America and even in a lot of "Halal" places to be far from godlike. I remember reading that some of the Halal slaughterhouses in India arent really halal, and they break the cattles bones and let them suffer through unbearable beatings, and that was from a Muslim site itself! I also remember reading something similar with Kosher food where the person that was praying over the food was on a tape recorder! Apparently a lot of Muslims do not know about this fact, however at the same time I doubt they would care or even change their lifestyle because it is still labeled Halal and the prayer was said. Although I follow only the Quran alone, it doesnt mean that there arent other books that have great insight, even the Hadith. Theres several sayings in Hadith with regard to this issue that I wholeheartedly agree with, yet I still dont understand why even the Sunnis do not even follow it. We want mercy from God yet they cant even grant mercy to the animals we eat from (be it milk, meat, etc.). Even the same goes for the environment that we live off of. Let us be appreciative of what God has given us and appreciate His/Her creations as well. Wa Salaam

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Mr. enquirer, I thought I already told you, if you chose free-will, you're here, if you didn't you're not. There's no examples of humans without free-will. You're here because you have free-will.

peace, welcome 7amdy, i hope you like this place, i've been hear for a short time and i love the thoughts and questions it raises, but some posts have a very very clear lack of respect to God it takes me patience not to slam my head at a wall. peace,

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I have followed this one rather closely. What i belive, is that someone took the hadith saying that mohammad was a white man a little too seriously. He claimed to have had access to files from the vatican vault. The famed vatican vault ;D But if we cant see them it doesnt reall ymatter what he says, i dont know him. But if we look at the work of people like john allegro, there might be something going on to which we are not entirely aware. Altso regarding our own faith. He was one of the reasons i stopped believing that the bible had anything to do with anytihing. It is a hodgepodge of stuff from old gnostic, and agnostic cults, and a little from the jews, who themself were a gnostic cult. The famous council then put it all together in the name of Sol invictus, or whatever name pleases you, these sub dietys are pretty much the same, which is why people say jesus is Horus, baal, etc... And what is obvious is that "gods" of enemies became demons. Where im going with this is, that these same stories, as collected by the council, are to be found in the Quran. And i dont understand why. THe only reason i can find is that it uses symbolism that the people spoken to understands. Rather than intrododucing a whole new theological pantheon, it just uses the symbols known but retells the tales, setting the spiritual teaching of the book streight. Altso...i DO belive the vatican had a finger in creating sunnism and shiitism. Haidth look very much like "council" work. hodgepodge. In hadith MOhammad becomes a solar diety, which is one study im conducting at the moment. 12 close sahaba, 12.000 sahaba going to heaven known by name, The splitting of the moon (SUN POWER YEAH!!! becasue we dont want to worship the duality no more with mother moon aswell), water flowing from between his fingers, increasing the quantity of food and water ( ;D ), the glorification of the food, the palm tree yearning for him, stones greeting him, trees walking towards him (i think they mean STRETCH towards him). This stuff is old symbols, very old symbols and th only ones i know that still use them are masons and the vatican. peace

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peace Kyle How do we know we are detached observers? what if I am being controlled by TV without knowing it?! and thank you for the complement (?) )

Andya, Please send an email to [email protected] on this subject. Please quote my post and your request to receive the manuscripts so that I forward your mail to both Aisha and Caner. I think it is better to communicate with them regarding their work. Peace, Edip I've sent 19.org a message. Hopefully they will respond positively. handshake Also, bump for more attention.

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