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peace saladin, Muhammad Ali v. George W. Bush by Daniel Pipes New York Sun November 29, 2005 http//www.danielpipes.org/article/3153 what do u think about the greatest ? I wouldn't even bother posting something from this radical right-wing writer, hes pro-war and pro-Isreal Anyways, Ali opposed the Vietnam War on more grounds than just being part of the Nation of Islam, I remember several phrases I read from him including "no Vietcong ever called me a nigger" and "I'm not going half way across the world to murder other poor people" Personally I don't like the Nation of Islam and how Ali had treated Malcolm X in his break from it, but I think Ali's protest against the Vietnam War and refusal to fight in it was honorable

Map on the other hand shows you where the hills and valleys are. But how you decide to travel to these destinations is completely up to you. You could take the route that map shows you or you could strike out on your own and find your own route and in the process of doing so "discover" a new "destination" or perhaps or a better route that is suited to you... But thats just it, the map does show you everything. It doesn't show you a specific route. It gives all the possible routes and even shows where there are no roads. I'm not talking about a map that with a line and x marks the spot. I'm talking about a regular map. You can figure out where you are, where you want to go and a variety of ways to get there. Peace

Peace, What that doctrine of lucifer thing about? sounds like some small underground wierd stuff just fabricated to put fear in people, people shouldn't fear but our governments think different. The worlds current situation has been chaotic for a long time, the fighting, the racism, the illegal killings of women, children and elderly. Trouble in Africa, trouble in the middle east and now there's trouble in the west with all these suicide bombings and the crime isn't getting any better either! I come to conclude that this is how the world is all the time, battle against two sides, opposing forces. In every example (prophets) within the scripture there is trouble within the communities, whether it is a small community or this global community it doesn't make a difference. Scriptures tell us that God grants victory for the 'believers' (define this term however you will), im just calm to know that good always wins against evil (maybe thats foolish but thats how I am!). I personally don't like the way people easily label the enemy as one simple entity whether it be Zionists or Islamists, but I think that the enemy is within all our communities, many prophets and messengers were saved from their own communities when the retribution comes and the retribution comes for every community and none can stop that. This third world war is unclear to me, its hard to see who is in the right because politicians are sneaky and they keep the people in the dark, and when they trust them they sometimes put them in wars for no necessary or reasonable reason and obviously no apparent reasons are given, only propaganda for the people. nural

Peace, Edips asking people to translate, not debate his manifesto. Theres already a topic for that.

Hello Joe Sorry for the delay, always flat out indeed, anyway bro here is my understanding regarding 1037, my understanding is solely based on the clear Arabic text as well the common sense ?This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds. ? (37) -> Bro the above verse is clear as light, it can?t be one of those Mutashabihat verses, firstly the verse can be divided into three complete sentences divided by the letter ?Waw? ? ? as follow -> ? ?, very clear and explicitly talking about the Quran, i.e. ? This Qur'an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah? -> ? ?, and this one should be clear but not as clear as the first one, the English translation was translated by YA as follow ? on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it?, obviously he understood ? ? as previous scriptures, while this logic may be acceptable, it can also be argued that Allah never mentioned previous scriptures in the verse rather ? ? which is literally ?That is between his hands?, hence I see it differently and with less speculations, that I don?t know what Allah means with that between his hands, possibly another book, possibly something else, how can we know? The point is simply, the Quran is a confirmation to what is between Allah hands and that is the closest interpretation I can come up with according to the Arabic words, I see as Allah has His master constitution up there and the Quran is just a section of legist elations of the master constitution, this section of legislation named the Quran is only covering what we need to prosper and we will not find the whole constitution in it. -> ? ?, this is the part where unneeded confusion may arise, the English translation is as follow ? and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.?, which I see it fine however the Book mentioned with no doubt that will be explained by Allah is also the Quran, remember verse 22?, just look in my signature, that verse is talking about the Quran and was also called ?Kitab?, I wonder how some think that the Kitab mentioned in 1037 is not the Quran?, well, I can tell from the composed Arabic sentences and sure from the context that it has to be 100% the Quran Assuming the Kitab mentioned in 1037 is not the Quran and just another Kitab that Allah has up there, now please tell me Why Allah is telling us that no doubt the explanation of the Kitab will happen if we don?t have that kitab in our hands?, It does not make any sense bro Peace be with you

Salam Savage You're Right, Hasty conclusions are dangerous. I need more patience. Salam

Peace, From an authoruty point of view these books (if they could be located in their original form) would have zero say over the laws revealed in the final Scripture. As for finding out the truth in them from the falsehood, you can probably do that by comparing the verses regarding the Jews or Nazarenes with what is written...I am not sure how easy or difficult such a reading may be (I recall reading the current Bible - inlcluding the 5 books of Moses, and was utterly disgusted by the blasphemey, pornography, and sheer evil/hate that are currently contained in these works).

I think you have flatered me enough chap. Any more flattery from you would make me want to believe in things spoken in forked tongues... Robespierre, no one asked you to cut in half my post. I said co-exist with an utterly gullible naivete too and i've been asking you to furnish the details of hermeneutics for some time now. So no, no one's trying to flatter you. You only choose to hear what sounds good.

Peace, We should now just teach Islam, and not worry about what others think. I agree. I do think it is healthy to debate the arguments or premise put forth. To recieve criticism here and there, and more importantly know the feel of the reasoning through experience. In other words, live the quran. Study the quran. With yourself or with others, but most likely with yourself. Others can probably question your conclusions better than you can. Lend an ear to what others think. It may be helpful. Joe

the point is God is the same one for all generations, so I wonder why they keep revising it? Yes, The Absolute does not change but how human beings tried to understand this Absolute has been different in each generation. For example, the God of Jacob is able to wrestle with him. But to later generations this kind of meeting between God and Man is impossible. I agree, but according to the Quran, this is what Satan and his progeny will be determined to do, for us we only listen to them yep and that is exactly the outcome when we listen to the Devil Devil/Satan is a conviniet excuse for human fallibility and frailty do you not think? no, He didnlt appear to Moses neither to any human for that matter, He only spoke to Moses directly form behind a barrier That is not the point I was making. God of Jacob wrestled with him. By the time of Moses such encounter would be impossible. God instructs Moses to keep his distance. This is a wholly different God from the one who came to the tent of Abraham on the hottest part of the day and who wrestled with Jacob. This God demanded distance and separation. Can you not see in this how the Idea of God developed? As human beings tried to make sense of the wonder, the terror and tragegedy of life so did their understanding of God developed further. To the Prophet Elijah, GOD was not in any of the natural forces but can be felt "in the tiny timbre of a breeze, in a paradox of voiced silenced". can you please post the Bible passages, thanks Elijah - Verses 11b-12a And behold, the Lord passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and broke in pieces the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind; and after the wind an earthquake, but the Lord was not in the earthquake. And after the earthquake a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. Verse 12b And after the fire a still small voice. Humans beings will continually seek better and better understanding of "God". yes and that is what was going on since our existence on planet earth, the problem is we Ignore what God is saying about Himself and we listen to what other flawed humans say about Him, very strange indeed But the Idea of God is developed by flawed human beings - how can it be otherwise? the idea of god is the same since our existence, I can show you that even the aborigines tribes in Australia ages ago also had the same general understanding about our God which was nicely put briefly in one short sura But each interprets this "God" differently and label it differently according to their own cultural baggage. Some call it "Nirvana", others "Brahman-Atman", for others its Tao, God, Yaweh etc... WHOSE DWELLING IS THE LIGHT OF SETTING SUNS, AND THE ROUND OCEAN AND THE LIVING AIR, AND IN THE BLUE SKY, AND IN THE MIND OF MAN A MOTION AND A SPIRIT THAT IMPELS ALL THINKING THINGS, ALL OBJECTS OF ALL THOUGHTS, AND ROLLS THROUGH ALL THINGS. Yes, Wordsworth was a True mystic... Regards,

Hi Dear M_Mehdi, Oh, thanks for pointing that out -) But i must point out(reputation) that it was only a typo as i'm very aware of the to/too rule -) Oh it was personal. I mean I just let every thought inside of me out, without filtering it with moral and ethics. Thus, I said things I'd never say when in my senses. I'll send you a copy as soon as I get the paper back. But you must promise me you'll not base your impression of me over that paper, do you promise? -) Since I'm not the person one would think after reading that paper. tv and the too ol daily routine of the chug chug... seem to be be doing a good job working as a weapon - just a thought Perhaps you're right. Or can we say that "tv and the too ol daily routine" only supresses or blocks the soul, but does not reach it? btw.. love your sig! too funny.. Thanks, I added yet another funny sig, what do you think? -)

Omieza, here's my final post on this thread Can't we break down the A into a,b,c,d and do the same to the rest? No. Because A,B etc are the smallest denominator. Allah has given many examples in the Qur'an but the particular example of A,B,C you have just given is not in the Qur'an - have you acted against the Qur'an? Once again , I will repeat Al-quraan tells you what do to be a mumin. If you add to this criteria, this means you have accepted ANOTHER criteria. So Allah is no longer your ilah. Allah + Hadith storyteller is your ilah. There is a group of people who are really inspired by flowery words (6/112-113) . Allah gave a solution too (6/114-115) Ok, thats all I have to say. Peace.

SaLaM Tahira Since when do parents listen to their children? D

Salaamun alaikum Omieza, Obey Allah and the messenger does equate to the same thing O ye who believe! Obey God and His Apostle, and turn not away FROM HIM (anHU ) when ye hear (8/20) We're obeying Allah but the command comes from the messenger. Ar-rasul has also roles in the islamic movement such as leader in conflicts, economic planning, judgement etc. So essentially, I do agree with you.

ZOMG!!!!!!!! NP, enjoy EVERY SINGLE BITE YOU TAKE OF KFC. *gets all emotional and stuff cry

Peace, Did you mean something like Lane? www.studyquran.co.uk It is being developed as we speak. nope, I'm looking for a text translator It's sad .... when u consider how other nations are contributing to the web. peace.

I'd like to see the guy who "supports" the other woman while his wife is content with it. No, really... get married, do it, then get back to me. P

So am I! (extremely observant that is)

SaLaM I wouldnt greive if my family member died. Instead, i will be happy that they are now with God.

The Miswaak is my choice for most misguided single item of sectarian / hadithist muslim ignorance. That people still use this item not out of choice but by imputed benefits is staggering. But I bet Truth, one time you yourself perhaps defended its virtue! wink Its strange is it not that once you outgrow something - how funny they can appear to you... Regards, LoteTree, The ignorance of the sunnis is seldom matched by more enlightened people; but you are close - but then again that is making the assumption of enlightenment. The operative word was PERHAPS wink Regards,