General Issues / Questions

I understand that evolution is like a curse word to you. That's fine. But by definition, the case of these elephants is in fact a case of evolving. I think the point that is agreed upon is that whatever happens, happens within the boundaries of God's Law. The original big-bang, certainly contained all the possibilities that we now live in. But these possibilities had to evolve from their earlier states. The human body evolves from embryo to full-grown in the span of 20 years or so. A desert evolves from different colored and different sized stones to fine grains of sand. There's nothing wrong with using the word "evolve/evolution". As I quoted in a different thread, even Darwin admitted to the holes in his theory. This does not mean that some if his points were off the mark completely. I appreciate your disdain for the word. However, the word "evolution" is far from being only associated with Darwin's theory. It is used in every day English here in the US and there is nothing attached to it when it is used appropriately. Your example of the word "gay" is not quite equivalent. "Gay" is understood globally as the term for homosexuality. It is rarely used as anything other than this understanding. "Evolve", on the other hand, is used commonly in practically every aspect of life. Companies evolve, relationships evolve, diseases evolve, understandings evolve, and physical matter evolves, all without being attached to the "theory of evolution". Exactly what I way trying to get through lol I need to learn to explain myself better!

Salaam Tay, Peace All, In other words, using the tools of Qur'anic dictionaries and reknowned lexicons, one can pluck out certain definitions among the many, look for ways to tie these selections to other selections, and consequently derive a strong case for almost whatever one wishes. I think if any of you have access to these resources and is willing to take part in this experiment, it would provide a fascinating and educational example of what preconceptions can do. The important thing to remember is that one does not need to remain consistent throughout the entire Qur'an. One only needs to compile several ayat to paint the picture they desire. That is why Imam Ali, it is believed, taught that one should not use the Quran to prove a point.

Peace, I think it's true that many people here would have no problem with the female lead of certain matters including the one in question if the female is best qualified or motivated. That's not the issue. The question is sincerity and while I don't pretend to know in absolute terms what the muslimwakeup styled progressives possess; I can report that their forum has deleted/censored posts by Edip Yuksel that were in relation to a competition to draw an image of Muhammad. http//19.org/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=14987&rid=0&S=fe4a4d8470fa46201e944595e1a1a43c#msg_14987 Regards.

Please don't say that. I've just officially started last week oops although I had done some preparations before. I haven't published any results, but I will publish after I am done. And the practical application... To be honest, I'm still trying to think of a good one. But I can say that this is part of trying to understand termites as an ecologically important organism in tropical environments. Termites literally recycle felled trees, you know, and they're part of the nutrient cycle in forest ecosystems.

Hello idmkhizar, I meant to say human beings are fallible. You only read part of the Evolutionist Claim? Little knowledge idmkhizar is a dangerous thing. If you are not bothered to read them then how can you be objective? thats why perhaps you are easily duped by people like Haroun Yahya... Regards, Khi- Again HArun, hArun, forget abt him. The majproty of objective scientists r against evolution n believe in GOD. Evolutionists mostly dont believe in GOD. Those who do onyl confuse themselves trying 2 concilliate evolution with belief in GOD which is incompatible. Such scientists r laughed at by stauch evolutionists who r atheists. GOD Bless!

Peace Grourself Peace Tux, 53 They ask you what was made lawful to them, Say "All the good things have been made lawful for you, and what the trained dogs and birds catch, you teach them from what God teaches you." So eat from what they have captured for you and mention God's name upon it, and be aware of God. God is quick in reckoning. This is a typical incorrect translation of words and an incorrect concept has been fostered. The oft-repeated phrase is not enjoining mentioning the ?name? of God over anything. Dh-k-r=remember, remind, keep in mind, etc. not mention or pronounce as some have rendered it. God has told us to remember what He as described/designated over the use of any of the provisions He has given His creation. You will find that A-k-l is not eat but use or utilize. God is very specific and uses T-?A-M for food or eating and A-k-L for using or otherwise consuming. The ritualistic practice of saying "bismillah" over things is a misconception. The evidence in the reading is overwhelming and I will provide a full article very soon. In the meantime I hope you are following this understanding and I if I have the time I will address any questions you have that relate to this. Thanks for clarifying.

Peace Rick, The book was posted in the books section a few days back http//www.free-minds.org/new.htm

Peace all, I would like to discuss a fictional situation Let suppose that I'm in command, I'm the boss. I give to each of my servants a task to do, and they have no choice but to do it. For one of my servants, I'll ask him to "always do the opposite of what I ask him to do". Now I would ask this very servant to point to a white square on a board with a mosaic of colors. In this case, even if he know which one is the white square (he sure knows, because he should not point to it), he would point to any other square but the white one. The result of my request is a non-white square. So did the servant obey my command or not? -- Khi- A logical paradox has been created making the whole statements corrupted. GOD Bless!

And I want to repeat myself again It doesn't matter what evidence I throw at you, you'll still dismiss it as fakes, illusions. So there's no point in arguing with you, you've already decided. Khi- It's the evolutionists who become red hot n biased against creationists not the vice versa. Theyve lied so many times. Y shld i trust them now if they bring up trans form fossils. If i find such myself i told u ill rethink it. GOD Bless!

I did, right after those guys put the response and gave me notoriety ? But I haven't heard from them since then. Last time I get a contact from the HY co. intl. it was by the webmaster asking how I was doing ? and commenting about my involvement in other forums like http//www.evcforum.net . Khi- Ic. Stay in contact with them. They have all the info u need. Ive given u quite a few egs now. The thing is the evolutiionists ought 2 be more open minded n not biased as 2 slander the Creationists. Both views must be amde punbic n both shld be taught in schools. Then every individual can decide it 4 him/herself. GOD Bless!

Why do some people think that The God can't design a system that evolves? Don't those who made the term Intelligent Design blasphemously imply that The Creator is not intelligent enough to create a system that is designed to evolve? salam ayman. isnt the Creator intelligent enough to create a system without evolution ? by the way , the evolution theory contradicts the koran . Who's more intelligent a Creator that creates organisms separately, but similar with each other, and many of the results of his separate creations went extinct? a Creator that creates organisms by enabling them to create themselves (by means of evolution) and ensuring that the results if this creation will not ever be completely extinct due to its ability to adapt and diversify? What is the meaning of 'Khalaq' (Create)? Does it imply a process or not? Can we observe it or is it outside our scope? Answers on a postcard please wink Khi- Now think abt this. A trans form is unable 2 survive coz modern science has ahown tht if a living creature lacs only part of one of its features it is a fatal disadvantage 4 it n it cannot survive. The cambrian is a perfect example of living things appearing at once n fully formed. Plz get out of this fraud once n 4 all. GOD Bless!

Hello IDmkhizar, What was trying to say that Artificial devices may one day will be able say these things and say it in a Descartian "Cogito Ergo Sum". Programming Advances in neural networks already showing that might be a possibility but it is still early days yet...only time will tell.... Regards, Khi- Can AI devices have a free will like us or do they work according 2 the situation n the way they r programmed? Also such devices u r talking abt r far from production. Japan has just mangaed 2 produce some more or less dumb robots who can hardly assist in carrying a steel rod in company of a man. GOD Bless!

Peace Mz, They are the people who took Gods book and made monkies out of men Well, you gave me the best laugh of the day. lol "And their followers are "sheeple".

Hi idmkhizar, If human scientists were able 2 manipulate the genes of female mice in such a way tht they gave birth cant our Creator do the same in humans? yes, of course the Creator can. I was not talking about the power of God but about the unknown existence of miracles. Khi- Ok then but they r made known through Quran n we shld believe in them- GOD Bless!

the article /link posted is a proof of submisison.org being but a sunnie sect...they also folow sunnat of muhamad....its just that they call it different -millah of ibraheem... and note the exactly same abusement of the quran ....sunnies say obey messenger = obey Hadith/5 ritual prayers/2,5% zakat/etc.... submision org and alike say follow milah of ibrahim= obey appendices of Rashad/5 ritual prayers/2,5% zakat/etc these two sects are demonstrating behaviour of the perverted hearts following mutashabihat/ambiguous/unrestrained messages of the book seeking discord/seduction/to misled and seeking to interpret Quran(37) best wishes Khi- Instead of making baseless accuastions maybe u cld just have refuted tht article in a sensible manner addressing the issues. GOD Bless!

Personally, I look at science as the method in which we try to systematically and mathmatically explore and explain the miracles of Al Rahman.... Peace salikah, I like your usage of Ar-Rahman as God's name. More than a year ago I received a sign in relation to this name which I believe is the GREAT NAME of God and I try to use it always in my personal calls/prayers. Regards. PS The post in relation to the sign in case you are interested is in the code 19 section of this forum.

Thanx tux.

AS salaam o alaikom, CULT is the ROOT of CULTure, a lot of so called CULTS are the roots of Developing CULTURES, for instance, we Ebaadu RAHMANI are seen as a QURAAN alone CULT, and i say YUP i belong to a GROWING and DEVELOPING CULTure, but becaue it is not MAIN STREAM yet it is still CULT but when it catch on and insha ellah it will it will be another Level of CULTure in my community.

Just so I am clear, the prophecy was only the answering of some questions previously asked? It appears so, but I wouldn't personally word it as 'only the answering of some questions previously asked', rather I would say that it was a slap in the face for those who plot against God and his message. It could be said that it really wasn't much but to be honest the effect was amazing, and considering the fact that this debate is and will be available to generations after us to read and learn is mind-blowing. Thanks goes out to sina the sinner for playing the role of an idot and Edip for putting him straight. Peace. Natu on the line.

Salaam I enjoyed your post. I linked this topic to other one which san me question is asked. http//y19.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=24&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= Peace