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In Lighter Vein The Muslims translate the word Al Camry in Chapter 2 Verse 219 as "Alcohol" and some say intoxicants". Although the word "Haram" or "forbidden" is not mentioned in any of the verses in the Quran when the word Al Camry appears they say it is "forbidden" to consume "Alcohol". The word Camry is used to refer to wine for inhabitants of Paradise 4715. It seems that Alcohol is an Arabic word. Though used extensively in the western world, the word came from Arabia. For the sunnis and shi'ite the word Al Cohol is just like Al Rahman or Al Raheem. It?s perfectly possible that they think Al Cohol could also be God?s name or attribute. Therefore it would be forbidden to consume God. Its funny that in USA Toyota Camry cars are the best selling. Perhaps it?s a correlation to the number of drug abusers in USA. Perhaps drug/intoxicant/Al Cohol dealers all drive Toyota Camry?s. http//www.aididsafar.com/humor.html rotfl rotfl rotfl

Peace everyone, In a post in this forum, I shared some articles about internet/social media. I would like to share a few more articles about social media in this thread. I used to have a Facebook account in the past. But as I have mentioned in another post in this thread, I have deactivated my FB account. It seems that there are some benefits about FB (especially if one uses it in moderation). Therefore, I'm planning to create a new FB account in the future. But I doubt that I will create a FB account the next few months (due to time-constraints). It might take a very long time before I create a new FB account. As mentioned earlier, I would like to share a few more articles about social media in this thread. Personally, I like social media a lot. And it seems that most people like social media. But it also seems that many people are skeptical to some types of social media (e.g. Facebook). Anyway, two of the articles I'm about to share in this thread, have arguments for social media. And two of the articles I'm about to share in this thread, have arguments against social media. Facebook voted best invention of the decade http//www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/facebook/7316391/Facebook-voted-best-invention-of-the-decade.html 7 reasons you should sign up on Facebook http//workawesome.com/communication/sign-up-facebook/ Shorter attention span http//webwisewording.com/shorter-attention-span-technology/ How facebook (FB) is altering your mind http//davidrainoshek.com/2013/06/how-facebook-fb-is-altering-your-mind-2/

BTW Germany is still anti-semitic up until this day. If Germany wants a really good advice on how to oppose Nazism then for starters Germany can stop exporting products that actually orginated during Nazi rulership (e.g Hugo Boss products, Hugo Boss made the Nazi uniforms) and boycott these companies. But Germany would never do this because it is one of the reason to why it managed to recover so fast after WW2. Pro-Nazi people did bring technology some of which Germany still sells today only under different people. Germany can also stop selling and gifting weapons to the Israeli regime who are killing Palestinians that descend from semitic peoples unlike EUROPEAN Jews. Many European right-wing political parties orginate from Nazism as well as Fascism. Scandinavia is filled with them except these political parties enjoy pretending to be anti-Nazi as a way to attract supporters and as a way to look civilized but their id?as is so Nazi-like and their history is full of their leaders taking part of Nazism during WW2. In Sweden there is a Muslim-hating political party called the Swedish Democrats. Ironically in that political party there is this European Jew (Kent Ekeroth) that enjoys associating himself with the European far-right, the same people that killed six million European Jews. Now he actually has a Youtube video and the first video is titled "Anti-semitism in Malm?", all these people were only shouting Free Palestine which he considers to be anti-semitic but him involving himself with a political party that has a strong origin in Nazism and Fasicsm is not considered anti-semitic. It is not suprising that there are European Jewish Zionists who support political parties whom have their origin in Nazism. European Jews have a long history of collabrating with Nazis/terrorists https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CategoryJewish_Nazi_collaborators Meanwhile Eastern-European Muslims saved Jews who were escaping European attrocities (both Nazi and Soviet).

I actually agree with Invalid777. That's the reason why traditionalists can't see those anti hadith verses. And it's why they wrote a false interpretation of the Reading(Quran) and had to invent a false language. For example, SJD to the Muslims is a physical movement. It would be like me randomly claiming today that the word 'thinking' is to prostrate. It takes an extreme amount of deception to go around and tell people to prostrate when they hear the word 'think'. No matter how much knowledge you provide them(Quran, Tora, Gospel), they'll never get it. They are not self-aware. "I believe in God/Allah and his book/s" are just empty words they parrot. They don't know themselves so how can they know their Creator? They can't. They are "kafireen". Become self-aware and you will know your Creator and receive knowledge from The Source of Knowledge. Knowledge is not limited to the Reading(Quran) but you also have access to the knowledge you were created with in your Ruh. The Reading(Quran) is a physical copy of what is within you(Ruh). This is why these traditionalists can't see the anti hadith verses. Their hearts are sealed, unaware of themselves. Only the Creator can make someone become self-aware, not a book, stone or human. MUHSIN KHAN "Those who reject Our signs are deaf and dumb in darkness. Allah sends astray whom He wills and He guides on the Straight Path whom He wills." (639) Quote from another website Allah has set a seal on the heart of the kafireen "As to those who reject Faith it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; They will not believe. "Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil Great is the penalty they incur." 2. The word qalb in Arabic means heart as well as intelligence The Arabic word qalb used in these verses means the heart. It also means intelligence. Thus the above verses also mean that Allah has put a seal on the intelligence of the kafirs (unbelievers) and they will not understand and believe. 3. In the Arabic language heart is also used as a centre of understanding In the Arabic language the word 'heart' is also used to connote one's centre of understanding.

Peace Faithful-Jinn and everyone, I'm not going to waste trying to convert you to Islam or to believe in the Quran but I will paraphrase what I gain from the parable of the soil from the New Testament Basically Jesus says there is someone sowing seeds. The seeds are sowed on different types of soil. The parable of the soils describes what becomes of seed that is sown in four different types of soil. The first type of soil is the hardened soil of the pathway. This seed does not penetrate the soil at all, but is quickly snatched up by the birds of the air. The second type of soil is the rocky soil, a shallow layer of earth, barely covering the rock below. The seed which falls upon this type of soil quickly germinates, aided by the warmth retained by the rock, but hindered by a lack of depth and by a lack of moisture. The seed which germinates quickly also terminates quickly. The third soil is the thorny soil, a soil populated with thorns. The seed falling into this soil germinates and begins to grow, but is eventually crowded out by the hardier thorns. The fourth soil is the fruitful soil, that soil which produces a bountiful crop. Having told the story, Jesus put an exclamation point after it by adding these words The seeds represent the seeds of God's grace or revelation which will grow into the fruits of our faith and deeds and lead us to heaven. The first type of soil represents the person who has never heard the word of God or refuses to open their hearts to God and so the seeds are eaten by birds. The second type of soil represents someone who accepts God's word on a superficial or shallow level with no deep or true understanding and their faith has the appearance of beginning to grow but in a short time the small sprout quickly died. The third type of soil represents someone who accepts God's word but allows the things of this world to get in the way and distract them from focusing on the hereafter and obstruct their faith, hence their seeds become tangled in thorns. The fourth type of soil represents one who hears the word of God and believes with all their heart in the hereafter and lets nothing remove them from the path of righteousness and so they will enjoy the fruits of their deeds in paradise. The point of the parable is that it is not the seeds that are unfit or defunct but the earth that receives them. Interesting parable. I recommend reading these parables https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Wise_and_the_Foolish_Builders http//findingyoursoul.com/2012/11/the-parable-of-the-raft/

2827 said surely I want/desire that give in marriage/sponsor you one daughters dual mine these two on that thou work for me eight ijajin/migrations so if complete thou ten of so from near/unto you and not I want that make difficult upon you thou will find me if wills the god from the righteous Peace, it seems similar as above what the father did to sponsor the marriage. 43 and if fear you that not thou deal justly ye of in/concerning the bereaved (i.e. mothers with orphaned children) so give in marriage/sponsor ye of what suitable for you from al-nisi/the womenfolk mathn/twosome wathultha/and three waruba/and group of four so if fear you that not thou just ye of fawidatan/so one (f/s) or what possess aymnukum/right hands (means/grasp) yours such lowest that not thou oppress ye of Therefore anyone (male or female) addressed in the community can help pitch in to fund/sponsor the marriage of two/three/four bereaved women or one marriage or what possess aymnukum/right hands i.e. means or wherewithal yours including to sponsor a portion of one marriage or even the whole group if one has it within their means or control of enough wealth.

Salaam... Yes this Islamic view was originally proposed by Rashad Khalifa and propogated by his Submission group. The idea that there was a great war in heaven between the forces of Satan on one side and that of Archangel Michael on the other side has been popular since Biblical times (Revelation 127-13). http//image.slidesharecdn.com/3-thegreatcontroversybegins-110908080255-phpapp02/95/the-great-controversy-begins-mavule-12-728.jpg?cb=1315476043 While this theory is popular, the reason I never got around to accepting it is this - I have never been able to fully understand how the sequence of events took place... assuming that we humans are those beings who lived in heaven and were kicked out and sent to Earth for our supporting of Satan.. Where does the story of Adam come about? I mean, when we already sided with Satan and are destined for this test on Earth, when did the whole fruit and tree story happen? 'Coz the Quran says Adam was sent from heaven to Earth after this fruit transgression. But then what about humans siding with Satan? What about Satan refusing to bow down to Adam, did that happen after the war or before? Why would that be happening if we are all destined to come to Earth for this test.... what was Adam doing in heaven if he already lost God's support by siding with Satan earlier on during the great war? I don't see a clear sequence of events happening... its all vague and jumbled up. http//whanethewhip.wdfiles.com/local--files/motivational%3Aif-heaven-is-so-great-why-was-there-a-war-there/if-heaven-is-so-great-why-was-there-a-war-there.jpg Peace I do not know what percent of the Bible is corrupted and what is truly the word of God. So I will stick to the Quran. In this context, there is no mention of war or fight in the Quran. There is only the mention of a quarrel.

There have been people who argued well yet challenged the forum from a mainstream Muslim perspective who have been banned and all their posts deleted Let it be known that this individual has failed to prove this slander with any evidence whatsoever. The ID of one individual was provided after being asked and their posts still exist on the forum. This individual (Ahmed Bhagat) was banned for obscenities. Please be advised that slander is taken very seriously. If there are any questions about this please PM. Further discussion on topic.

If you want some actual Quran references... From here What does The Quran say on the age of marriage? The Quran does not state a specific legal age of marriage, however it does give a guideline and mentions situations and conditions that should be considered before marriage Determining mutual attraction/compatibility Ascertaining whether the potential partner is of similar beliefs/faith Discussion of and agreeing to the level of dower and other terms (if any) Understanding and mutual acceptance of marriage as a solemn/strong oath/contract If male, capable of providing for the family/household To have physically matured / post-puberty To have the marriage contract/oaths witnessed If the marriage is unsuccessful, one should also be capable of undertaking divorce proceedings, e.g. separation period, arbitration, discussion of settlement etc .

The RUH in us is the Creative Progressive Guide, the Invisible Kithab. What we read as Quran only testifies that which is in us as His RUH or Al Kithab. In other words conscience is the direct guidance from God. Whoever follows it, he is on the Straight Path. No body can show your conscience if you fail to see yourself. If you do not see your conscience, you are unconscious already or in semi-coma. And whoever says he can show you the Book, he himself is confused. Old thread but I couldn't agree more. I came to this same conclusion on my own and have realised that religion and science are one of the biggest traps that keep one in a state of delusion thinking they are on the "right religion" or know everything with their so called theory of evolution. Following science books "EVERYTHING IS A BIG FAT COINCIDENCE. NO CREATOR. IGNORE ALL SIGNS OF THE CREATOR, YOLO! LIFE IS MEANINGLESS. Following religion "WE ARE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE. YOU'RE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW MY RELIGION. YOU KUFFAR! YOU GOYS! THE PROPHET SAID THIS!!!! PRAY 5 TIMES A DAY OR GO TO HELL YOU KUFFAR! MUHAMMAD WILL INTERCEDE FOR US ON JUDGMENT DAY AND SAVE US FROM HELL. JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! JESUS! SAVE ME JESUS MY LORD AND SAVIOR! YOU DIED FOR MY SINS! ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR OR BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY!!!! What do these people have in common? Self-righteousness, arrogance, pride and delusion. Lost souls unaware of themselves. The first step to enlightenment is self-realisation. To connect with the Rabb(salat) and establish the Rabb's system(deen).This is what it actually means by "only Allah can guide". You can't guide yourself or another human. Islam, Christianity, Judaism and all religions seek to passing your beliefs to your children so they become "good practising ". You cannot "convert" someone to the right path as these religions do. You cannot make someone become self-aware. This is what religion fails to understand. The Gods of religion is an illusion. It is an imaginary God, their ego. That's what they're enslaved to and worship. They are unaware of themselves, this is what causes them to deny the existence of their Creator, believe the Creator died for their sins as a creation(a human) or believe the Creator couldn't do a basic job and needed the help of Bukhari & Co. The judgment day, hell and paradise they believe in is all fantasy. It is all made up lies and conjecture from their false books. The real "judgment day", hell and paradise are different. The Source of Knowledge knows what will happen on that day. Some details are revealed in Quran though you must take that with a grain of salt since you are reading someone else interpretation of the text. Religion is a trap. It gives the illusion of righteousness. They BELIEVE they are on the right path and serve the Rabb. Fact is, they do not even know the Rabb, The Source Of Knowledge, Teacher and Creator AKA Allah. Atheism is a different side of the same coin. They too do not know the Rabb. They BELIEVE there is no Creator. They are all unaware of themselves. "And be not like those who forgot Allah; and He made them forget their own souls! Such are the rebellious transgressors!" (5919) If anyone has any questions or confusions, consult The Source of Knowledge. Peace

So what is the verdict? I thought sex is not such an important thing. I am quite used to seeing 40/50 year old virgins.

I hope you realize that I stopped replying to some of your sentences because they don't make any sense. you don't study the quran? why? Whether the elections were legit remains unknown. Elections are never legit in the Arab world. The research doesn't show sh't.. Come down to Egypt and support the MB and see what happens. Maybe you can reference to that source when you get captured by either the government or the people.. so it's legitimate when a guy you like does fraud, but not legitimate when people you don't like, under monitor of independent organizations, get elected? http//www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s4015481.htm This argument is just too primitive for me. The reason why ISIS exists is because of Turkey that has contributed to the terrorist group by opening its borders allowing Islamists to join the terrorist group. Saddam never kept ISIS in check and never would be able to do this either.Many ISIS terrorists are foreigners that are flocking through the Turkish borders. Youre right that many Sunnis were displeased with the current government due to religion. However they were doing a lot better under that government than Saddam. Right now many Sunni tribes are joining in the fight against ISIS in Iraq. history and reality are not your fantasies http//www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/rise-of-isis/ http//www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf https//medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092#.g9pkcqrf8 Lol 'math classes', math classes have nothing to do with it. Please use your brain. For starters learn more about Saudi-Arabia instead of assuming that it actually punishes criminals. you don't understand the concept of proportions Stop saying 'proportions' thinking you know what it means. They never had a prosperous life, it was still hell. You obviously prefer to live more in the West than in your so called 'axis of resistance' areas. And the military despot is only there temporarily and not permanently. the military despot is not going away i don't want to live on lands where the rule of law is the arab's culture and sectarian arab's understanding of the quran

I couldn't find where in the quran says a marriage is haram without witness... hey i'm just using precedents to look at the question we know the rules present in the quran concerning marriage http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/muhammad-married-young-girl.htm you can't use the conclusion for the question in the OP to justify doing what's in the OP in a context that's different than what the OP presented us

Irrelevant. That has to do with general human psychology, and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. I think precedents do give us a better understanding of what's written in the quran. True and tested ideologies give us an idea of what happens when we actually go against what's written in the quran. However, I'll state here that I am in favour of legalizing all drugs. Alcohol is the most harmful of them anyway. http//www.cbc.ca/news/technology/alcohol-ranked-most-harmful-drug-1.919186 After all, it would stop both cartels from operating, and bankrupt drug gangs, and as a result will lead to a significant decrease in crime, estimated between 10% to 75%. Let's say we legalize all drugs. Alright, let's see what happened with alcohol. You basically just legalized the drug cartels. They'll turn into private corporations and will now be able to take monopoly of the market, like the alcohol cartels in canada did. You haven't fixed the problem, because the culture in america is one where consumption of drugs is encouraged, romanticized, and even sometimes forced, through social coercion. I've been subject to such pressure myself. Instead of stomping out the cartels you've legalized their income. They already have money, lawyers, armaments, and in the end they would even be able to create a private military company like black water, and now have a legal army. What people in favour of legalization of drugs do not understand is that once the drug is legalized, you give the full rights of mega corporations to take over all of it, bombard people with advertisement, and legally get people hooked up on substances that can easily kill. Giving that power to corporations is irresponsible. Cartels will be able to move on to other illegal businesses with the newly acquired legal status. We can't rely on estimates when taking decisions that will shape a society forever. Good thing america is willing to put itself on the line though, legalizing everything, having moral relativism rampant everywhere, and bathing kids into this slut and drugs culture from a very young age. What a real life experiment this is, isn't it? It would also decrease the price of drugs, so addicts won't have to commit such crimes to collect funds to support their addiction. And kids, under the influence of pop music and social pressure, will also be able to indulge in it from a very young age. If you think you can control your kids 24/24, you're wrong. One just has to look at the slut culture being propagated by pop music today. Kids practice twerking in the privacy of their room, filming themselves and putting the videos on youtube. One might say "why would you search such videos on youtube!" to which i would respond "why are we subjecting kids to awful pop music". There already have been research done on the effect of sexually suggestive and degrading music on people. http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2496932/ http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16882784 It would also reduce the number of deaths from overdoses and vein ruptures (due to regulation of product quality) and HIV (due to the availability of clean needles). Addicts would be able to act as functional members of society, since now they're not being dehumanized and marginalized. Teen use will decrease by 54% (compare cannabis use between American teens and Dutch teens, and there is less drug use between Dutch teens, even though cannabis is legal in the Netherlands).The good of legalization outweighs the harm. People will keep using drugs, no matter what. The difference is that they'll be getting them as prescriptions from doctors, instead of criminals. Many points here to look at. Ok let's begin with dutch vs america. America has a big pop music industry. Bigger than the dutch one. Dutch people don't necessarily all understand english from a young age. Dutch kids are not subject to suggestive music at the rate american kids are. Dutch kids do not listen to gansta nigga rap where the cool thing to do is do all kinds of drugs and become a real nigga, or something. Kids are not encouraged to partake in such activities from a young age in dutchland. In americaland they are. Addicts, by definition, aren't functional members of society. You look at cigarette and alcohol addicts, they die younger, at a faster rate than others. They develop health issues as they grow older. They can't function as well as people with a sane health. They have to take medicine that others do not. That's just for cigarettes and alcohol. Harder drugs are even worse. People keep using drugs because we tell them that drugs are cool to use. That really is the bottom line of it.

You are meant to understand what you read in Quran. It is not a song book but a writing containing information. Be safe Amenuel

How would you deal with such statement? By using logic see the fallacies of appeal to tradition / appeal to common practice / appeal to popularity http//www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ And lastly, I'm sure if you looked hard enough you'd find variance on how many so-called rakah in the alleged Maghrib prayer.

Peace JavaLatte, I have similar understanding, currently. Thank you for your post. I'm glad to hear that you have a similar understanding I think so. I think the Qur'an informs us about those places (two types of paradise and one hell) which prepared for humans and jinns when they already are in the realm of the hereafter. Somehow I think that it seems those places have been created/prepared. The notion that hell is created/prepared might be true. But are you sure that paradise is created/prepared? Do you have any Quranic evidence that supports your claim? If you have any quranic evidence that supports your claim, I will accept your claim. The Quran suggests that a new earth and a new heaven will be created and will be inherited by the righteous servants of the creator Quran 1448 on the Day when the earth shall be changed into another earth, as shall be the heavens and when shall appear before God, the One who holds absolute sway over all that exists. Quran 21105-106 AND, INDEED, after having exhorted , We laid it down in all the books of divine wisdom that My righteous servants shall inherit the earth herein, behold, there is a message for people who worship God. Quran 21104 On that Day We shall roll up the skies as written scrolls are rolled up; as We brought into being the first creation, so We shall bring it forth anew a promise which We have willed upon Our?selves for, behold, We are able to do ! Since the above-mentioned Quranic verses suggests that a that a new earth and a new heaven will be created, then this means that paradise has not yet been created/prepared. By the way, I recommend the post below. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607008.msg377204#msg377204

Sayyid Ahmed Khan was born in India. He is also called as a "Neo Mutazilite". He revived the mutazilite thoughts in the Indian sub-continent in the 18th century.He only accepted around 5 hadiths and declared hadiths arent part of Islam. He found the Aligarh Muslim University. The mullas of that time used to give fatwas against him.

i realise this, however the point i would like to emphasize is the tiki wiki allows the following -global tags -global categories This would be great for SEO.

What I am wondering is that these sort of terms that have contradictory meanings, are known as contronyms, do exists in other languages as well and have different meaning depending on the context, for example the following words have contradictory meanings depending on the context Hold up To support, or to impede Left Remained, or departed Transparent Invisible, or obvious Wear To endure, or to deteriorate In other languages such as italian and latin also have these antonyms, they are called neutral words though as they are not negative or positive, but the can have opposite meaning depending on the context (therefore both negative and positive) So if done now, it was done with ancient languages such as latin and it seems to appear in the arabic language as well like you suggested, what exactly is wrong ? In English, we can have two different words with the same spelling, e.g. fly (insect) & fly (like a bird). These are two different words in meaning, but the same word in terms of spelling. In Arabic however, there is one level more to keep in mind. The roots. Arabic is not like English in it's word structure. The debate will now be Is it possible for one particular root to have opposing or unrelated meanings?