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Salaam, Answer was there is the link given in comments section D

peace all, In future, I think it will be interesting to consider hierarchy within such a list, laws in terms of establishing a society, etc. May prove fruitful. The more I think about this the more probable it seems that a society, as per Quran, would be founded on the following rules/law (based on the article above), covering murder manslaughter corruption in land proven adultery/fornication/immorality direct abuse/harassment usury theft

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http//www.inthenameofallah.org/Codices%20of%20the%20Quran.html The only way this issue will ever be resolved, and the authenticity of the current text of al-quran established, is when the original text of al-quran written in time of the prophet will be discovered. The current text of al-quran itself requires this external evidence for verification of the truth (4153, 1736). I am afraid, however, that when that original quranic text will be discovered (or maybe it already has been discovered), it will meet the same fate as the Sanaa manuscripts, and will be kept under lock and key, hidden from everyone's eyes, or will be destroyed by the ones in power. Peace Salam, Fair enough, but as is, the Quran stands pretty well on its own current merit. Also the website http//www.inthenameofallah.org is pretty foul anti-Quran under the disguise of impartiality as anti-beliefs in general. Besides, indeed the Saudis are currently busy bombing Yemen to remove any and all evidence if there were any. Nabil @inabster

The Rabbi is concerned that the same attacks Wafa is doing on Islam can be done to Jews and Judaism. Yup good. I really don't understand why people are attacking Islam and Christianity while excluding Judaism. Judaism is the first Abrahamic religion whom all other Abrahamic religion orginated from. Without Judaism there would be no Christianity letalone Islam. These religions copied their content from Judaism. One could argue that Judaism has indirectly killed more people than Hitler ever did and I'm talking about the attrocities being committed by right-wing Christian morons and 'Muslims' added up all together. Timur was a Mongolian Islamist tool AKA warmongerer that annilihated the South-Asian population. He reduced their population by five percent through mass-killing. If Qur'anists are going to criticise Sunnism then don't forget to mention Judaism, a religion whom Sunnism copied its own content from including its ethics and morals. The Hadiths and the Talmud are very similar. As a Muslim I'm not bound to respect Jewish prophets or Christian prophets. Sure I myself can make fun of religion too. I'm not a slave to Judaism nor Christanity. I believe in freedom of speech and attacking religion is a part of freedom of speech. Attacking Islam, Christianity and Judaism should be legal in the Arab countries once the regimes and Islamists are removed for good. To cooperate with Muslim haters is typical Israeli mentality. Israel for example has no problems in cooperating with fascist European right-wing political parties. As long as they target Muslims, Israel seeks a cooperation. Whenever it starts to attack Jews that is when Israel begins to play the anti-semite card. Israel has many fans that are Nazis and Fascists. It is not a joke. An example is Breivik that is a huge supporter of Hitler as well as Israel. He does this mainly due to his hatred towards Muslims. Many of Israels fanbase consist of people similar to Breivik. These Europeans are nothing but scum and terrorists. Hilariously the main reason to why they support Israel is because they hate Muslims and not because they care about the Jews. They have forgotten what Saladin did to their own cowardly European leader i.e Raynad Chattalon AKA Al-European Al-Hmar Al-Irhabi. The Arab countries use an Eagle as their coat of arms. This is to serve as a middle-finger to these same Europeans. Ironically these European right-wingers pretend to be 'civilized' but they are the opposite of civilization. Countries such as Iraq, Syria and even Palestine has a much older civilization than all these idiotic Europeans combined will ever do. It is not suprising to why they oppose Palestine, the country whom several ancient civilizations took place in.

Really if the man is by one way or another in the payroll of zionnism, onemight understand it, but that he should do that despicable slander of Palestine and palestinians for free tht shows a merciless, cruel, false man lead by hate or any such low passion to go against the defenceless and the wronged. A very sick mand indeed posing as a lamb or a dove, as they call it. Despicable and disgusting. And, of course, there goes again de real state god that seems to be the real god for some people. However amongst the names naed in the Qur'an there is no name for God that is called realtor. What evil can invent! Salaam Salaam

There are more verses which are hard to believe by logic but at same time I can not just simply accept the translation of Ghulam Ahmed pervez. For example http//postimg.org/image/73e70b4zf/ I feek knowing quran just because you know arabic language as a foreign langauge is gonna also land you in darkness. One must understand how arabic language was used in the society then in both meanings. Where do I draw the line ? Most of the holly books portray miracles, angles, jinns, land where man walks side by side with army of animans and understand their language etc etc. Its like in the movie. But then we must believe in them OR we turn to quranists and come up with an explanation that will satisfy us but at same time that explanation may not agree with the knowledge of arabic language in total as to how it was used in the society then. I am sort of lost... Cheers The Mi'raj story is not from the Qur'an. God does not change or break His laws. He doesn't need to. As for the traveler who was brought back to life after 100 years (2259) or the sleepers of the cave (1825), I can't say I know the answers to that, but you might be interested in what Parwez, Dr Shabbir and Muhammad Asad had to say in their translations (Asad's explanations are in the footnotes, which are easy to miss).

Tell those women the truth when they ask you the next time to go with them to those places, that would be honest and a good deed. May God guide the human race.

Very interesting... Thanks

Amazing work, excellent job sun

Thanks Neptin, the two weeks were hell. Nay I won't make a good detective. I just look more things that seem questionable. Most of what I find actually come from other people who had resources for the research. But I guess in US, its a trend. The whole 9/11 thing is the reason. Such attacks are profitable for those who make them happen. Benefits of 9/11 for those who were involved New policies to control people (attacks always enhance the power of the government) Mad it difficult for the world to hear cry of Palestinians Sympathy for Israeli (their leader's words) Shrinking the power of Arab countries, good for Israel. Removal of Saddam Hussein (good for Israel) Weapons sales (for wars) Army used (Here in US we have a slavery system; if you are at work you have to keep your hands moving. Same is applied to army. Government won't feed them for free) Satisfying the weapon industry lobbysts Cleaning of American ghettos (Usually, the poorest go in military.Ted Turner thinks its "terrific" that soldiers are committing suicide) Government taking loans from Rothschilds, the family responsible for snatching of Palestine. War loans make them richer. A new zone for Rothschilds' banks (Iraq) Making people lose faith in religions, one of the agendas of NWO. Divide and Conquer (Increased hostility towards Muslims) Haliburton became richer One attack makes it easy for them to use another attack for future benefits

Salam Fusion, No worries. We will probably never see one another in real life. So your dream is gonna be safe with us. Feel free to describe it. I am not a "professional" interpreter, but a precognitive dreamer (. Maybe I can help. PM me if you feel uncomfortable here.

The alphabet used to write Arabic is not the Arabic language is just an alphabet used. Arabic cannot be derived from Persian, in fact I can't see any language from which it could be derived, except some even older "Arabic" or whatever one would care to all it. Salaam Arabic language does not derived from Persian but the script that used to write Cursive Musnad derived from Persian in the 3rd / 4th century. This is according to Saad Abulhab, who had carried out intensive research in the Arabic language. To correct myself the Jazm script came in the 5th / 6th Century. The so called Pre-Islamic Poem proofs it all. Peace

Wellcome akbar007 This site has many articles that will help you understand what islam is all about. Do not be afraid to learn. Read the following article. It will help you understand what is required by God to be a muslim. http//www.free-minds.org/mumins Ask questions, there are many learned people in this forum who will help you. Good luck and do something to help those who need help.

Yusuf plus his eleven brothers as kawkabs and the two parents as the sun and moon were pictured in Yusuf?s dream as solar system. Therefore the best possible meaning of kawkaban here should be planets. So then, please share your definition of Kawkaban a.k.a Planet..

I shouldn't have answered your question.

So misrepresented passages there are... Salaam

I am not sure you and I are singing in the same tune here. First of all it seemed to me you misused verse 6112 to claim Qur'an says we cannot take lessons from messengers other than Muhammad. It was directed towards those who remix religion/deen. Not Prophets. Nowhere does Qur'an imply that Jesus / Siddharta / Lao Tse were enemy to Muhammad. Misconception. Clarity is provided below. All Prophets came with the same message. Rather for me the command for not differentiating between messengers is clear and unambiguous. Yes and since the verse is clear to me also I refrain from choosing one prophet over another to praise. I refrain from saying "this is my fav prophet among all". The Messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his Lord, and the believers. All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, , "We make no distinction between any of His messengers." And they say, "We hear and we obey. Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the destination."2285 Secondly, in your specifc post above you questioned whether the philosophy of "acceptance" would appeal to a victim of rape. My clear position is YES it should. If I am victim of a hideous crime towards me or my family, I will not accept the wrongdoing of man and I will protest and prevent the wrongdoing with all my ability, but at the same time I will gratefully accept the fact that my Master has allowed me/chosen me to be the victim of this situation so that I can refine myself through the process of trial and patience. Unfortunately, the girl is dead. The rape and injury they caused her were responsible for it. Trust me, rape is not easy to accept. That's why certified psychologists are assigned to help them. It can take several years for the psychological trauma to leave. The girl I mentioned went through what no human deserves. They inserted stick inside of them to take out their stomach. The news made me lose my nights of sleep and I am not even from her country. I still get teary eyed when I think about it. However, if I really misunderstood your post and you are indeed saying the same thing as I am saying here, then I appologize for my misunderstanding. Its okay. Actually, the discussion was about tradionalists' abuse of the term predestination. If you go back in history you will find that some hadiths were written and credited to Prophet Muhammad to justify torture of the weak. That's, "you shouldn't say anything against the ruler who tortures the commoners because it was in their destiny". Hence I disagreed with From Quran The attitude of ACCEPTING. Acceptance of God's will. Happiness and peace shall come when you gladfully, gratefully and peacefully accept on everything that has happened, happening or shall happened in the future. Because all of it are God's will. Note that I believe in God's will, but we will go down the path of traditionalists if we accept everything like bots. He has given us the intellect to decide what is right and wrong for a reason. He has made our mind subjective as well as objective. He has given us free will so we can choose for ourselves. And if everything is predestined then why would he warn us about hell and test on this planet? For me, the concept of God's will is a little different. He works in mysterious ways. Thus, his will shows up in many different forms. As for Prophets, they all came with the same message. But I can't say that the books we see today are directly from them. I tend to link them to those who wrote them and not the messengers. Example Paul, Matthew, Bukhari, etc. I am very sorry that I didn't include it in my previous posts. Some people may get confused about the following line I wrote previously. Thats the doctrine of traditionalists who believe that everything is predestined. I know it sounds like I am saying that predestination is haram because traditionalists believe in it, they are kaffir and if I accept a single thing from them I will turn into a kaffir too. But no, this is not what I meant. As stated earlier, it was about the abuse of predestination. peace

Hadithete, Peae Hadithete. When you say that"Shirk" is the only unforgivable sin. What do you mean? If you are saying ,when one does not repent before death, then of course it is. However, if one repents and corrects before death, then every sin can be forgiven ,including if one committed "shirk"!!!! You either do not have a good understanding of Qoran, or you are ignoring this fact. There is no question to answer here in the context of Qoran. There is no contradiction in Qoran, however,there is bad understanding of Qoran. Pagan now, can become Muslim later and vice-versa. GOD bless you. Peace. See above. However, you admitted as such But how can this be if Abraham was a pagan? was = past tense. Now, let me ask a question to you what would it take for you to be convinced that Quran is sufficient for believers?

Well, I would say children are born innately aligned towards good. There are psychological experiments which point towards this. Psychology is among one of my interest points. The world causes people to be evil basically together with the instinctive drive. It is a dangerous combination and that children (also adults to an extent) are by nature set to imitate others. Quran and elder texts such as the testimonies written by the followers of Jesus clearly show that there is a distinction to be made between the spirit and the body. This difference between body and soul causes progressive conflicts in ourselves towards the dissolution (traditionally called salvation) and, the Transition (al-akhar). When we listen too much to the animal/beast in us then we have a clear problem. Prophets have warned against this. We are (or at least were) a perfect spirit but we get biased by the animal-like creature we are attached to (Homo Sapiens). Faminkum kafar wa minkum mumen means just that some of you are kafar and some of you are mumen AND GOD sees all that you do which implies that it is a cognitive path-taking. Salaam