In depth study on Salaat in Quran

Mazhar

I checked the site you?ve given and tried to see who is the cheater, you or Dr.Khalifa.

You have quoted from Rashad for the word of ?Rasoul? as

<<<< The INDEX TO THE WORDS OF THE QURAN, lists 116 "Rasool" (Messenger) words. One of these words is in 9128. By removing this false verse, 115 "Rasool" words remain. Another "Rasool" word which must be excluded from counting is in 1250, since it refers to the "messenger of Pharaoh," not the messenger of God. Thus, the total occurrence of "Rasool" of God is 114, 19x6".>>>

And then you?ve written there

<<<The figure quoted as 116 occurrences by Rashad Khalifa is imaginary void of any substance. One gets puzzled how he quoted this figure but it helps understand his state of mind since he claimed to get "mental communication".>>>

Now let?s compare in what you?ve written to what Rashad wrote?.Rashad says the word of Rasoul in entire Quran is 116 including 9128 and then you only counted occurrence of the word of Rasulun as it?s written in 9128 by coming to conclusion that there are 38 of them and signature of God (19) is on it and then calling him as a cheater!

I went through all the verses for ?Rasulun? as you claimed and guess what there are 39 not 38!!....you either missed out 1047 or intentionally ignored it in order reaching 38 for multiple of 19 for your agenda.

As for counting of Elaaha again you have cheated?.Although there are 38 verses where the word of Elaaha has been mentioned but there are 39 of them in the Quran including 9128 according to your counting because in 318 there are 2 Elaaha not one.

Shall I announce you now a cheater or not? Please go head and check it out and let me know if I?m wrong !!

The counting of these 2 words through you proved that 9128-129 do not belong to the Quran! Glory be to God.

Insha-Allah I?ll let you know about other 2 words too.

Asana

Peace Asana,

I know that normally apprentice 19er behave in the above manner which is somewhat reflection of Rashad Khalifa.

After quoting what he said I wrote

"The force of expression will impress ordinary reader, since majority just float on the words of the book. The pains taken in counting the words will impress him. He will believe it to be true. A cheater always states a wrong statement with confidant posture to impress the listener/reader.

The physical evidence is this that the word Rasul has 52 occurrences; and as it has 236 occurrences {}; and as it has 513 occurrences. The figure quoted as 116 occurrences by Rashad Khalifa is imaginary void of any substance. One gets puzzled how he quoted this figure but it helps understand his state of mind since he claimed to get "mental communication".

The word which is used in 9128 is this http//www.haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/003.%20Rashad%20Khalifa%20Intelectual%20deceit%20exposed/Images/03.%20Rasoul/001.%20Rasoolun%20%7Bword%20of%209.128%7D.gif singular, nominative without shadda on any of its consonants. It has exact 19 occurrences in Qur'aan which are quoted therein.

What have you quoted as 20th that has shada on the first consonant converting it into two consonants + plus vowel and is not exact match with that of 9128. Why don't you accept this as "miracle of 19"?

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Salaam to everyone,

Prayer is Duaa in arabic, , you didn't answer why you translate Salat to rituel prayer !!!

Because Duaa is a simple invocation and Salaat is a divinely instituted ritual involving reciting the Quran standing, then bowing, then prostrating as described in 2226.
Also for instance
(4102) When you (O Muhammad) are among them, and lead the Salaat for them, Let one party of them stand with you, armed with their weapons then, when they prostrated, let them withdraw to the rear, and let another party which has not yet prayed move forward, and let them pray with you,?
A duaa does not involve prostrations, it is not a ritual but a simple prayer. Salaat involves bowing and prostrating.

Salaat has been prescribed at specific times
(4103) ?Observe the ritual prayers; indeed the ritual prayer has been decreed upon believers at specific times.

This is Allah swearing, Allah sweared by many things, for example, by the moon ! than do we pray if we see the moon?

The Dawn prayer
Dawn Quranic time frame (891) By the Dawn !

We do not pray at specific ?moons? but at specific ?times?. Dawn, Noon, Afternoon, Sunset, Dark Night are specific times that are all outlined in the Quran and correspond very precisely to the times of the day God wants us to glorify Him in Salaat.

(11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer at both extremities of the daylight (dual plural = two entities, referring to the Dawn and Sunset Quranic time frames)?

Trafay annahar are extreme parts and not points

You can call them ?extreme parts of the daylight? it is a correct translation. I did not say ?extreme points? but ?both extremities of the daylight? which is the same. The extremities of the daylight (dual in 11114) are two time frames (Dawn and sunset), since the expression in 11114 is mirrored by the regular plural expression in 20130, which implies FOUR extremities of the daylight crack of Dawn, Sunrise, Sunset, first apparition of darkness at the end of twilight).

(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before sunrise (lit. ?the rising of the sun?)?

Brfore sunrise , is called Ishrak in arabic that is when the sun first appear before it goes up

means literally before the rising of the sun. Check dictionaries.

Noon Prayer
Noon Quranic time frame Sun at its zenith until ?Asr (Afternoon) (245 ? Before the Dawn prayer, when you put away your clothes in the Midday (&#1616 , and after the Night prayer?

in arabic means Nap , not afternoon, afternoon is called Almasaa, and why allah didn't mention any salat at dhaheera, not before, not after ?

Check dictionaries, and please do not make up your own definition. shares the same root as , the commonly known Noon salaat; it means ?the Noon? or ?The Noon heat?; in both cases it is a Quranic time frame like ?Asr, Fajr, etc? By the way, I never claimed it means ?afternoon? (!).
(301 All praise is due to Him in the heavens and the earth In the evening as well as when you reach Midday ( , when the sun starts to decline at zenith).

Read carefully, All praise , not praise your lord, this has nothing to do for Allah is praising himself when we sleep as dead, than rise alive, morning and nap time, remember, , Todhhiroune means you be shown litteraly, had nothing to do with noon , dhohr, can u say to someone when you be nooned ? read the arabic word Dahara , ask what is means ! if u search for the truth !

?All praise? or ?praise your Lord? does not make a difference God shows in 3018 a specific time to glorify Him ?when you reach Midday ( .
Again I challenge you to check dictionaries and English translations of the Quran means literally when you reach Midday. Again, same root as the Zhur (&#1585 Salaat.
For example
Pickthal (301 Unto Him be praise in the heavens and the earth! - and at the sun's decline and in the noonday.
Shakir (301 And to Him belongs praise in the heavens and the earth, and at nightfall and when you are at midday.
Asad (301 and unto Him is due all praise in the heavens and on earth, in the afternoon as well, and when you enter upon the hour of noon.
Comment from Asad
(177 Observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer from the decline of the sun (?Duluk al shams? at Noon when the sun starts declining from its zenith) until the darkness of the night ?

Remark ?Duluk al Shams? (?the decline of the sun? at noon in 177 cannot possibly mean ?the rubbing of the sun? (at Sunset against the line of the horizon), as some people have claimed, because the Sunset prayer has to be observed when the sun has completely disappeared behind the horizon (as it is made clear in 20130, the exact limit between the Afternoon and Sunset time frames is "the disappearance of the sun&quot, and it frequently takes over one minute for the sun to supposedly ?rub against the line of the horizon? at sea level and disappear completely. Salaat times are perfectly precise, not an approximation. Furthermore it is a lie that the sun ?rubs? against the horizon; it is a ridiculous belief inherited from the middle ages.

Duluk comes from the word Dulew , when u put the in the well and it starts going down in the well, you say duluk addalw , so when the sun touches the horizon before getting to set , u say duluk shams

?Duluk? is a verbal noun and its root is dl lm kf (&#1603 which means ?to decline?. If you throw a stone in a well from afar, it will only start going towards the well once it reaches it highest point. Same for the sun, it only starts declining once it reaches its highest point.

I didn't see any dissapearance of the sun in this verse

(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun ( &#1616 and before its disappearance ( &#1575, as well as from the (first) hours of the night ( &#1604, and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities of the daylight ( &#1616, that you may be content.

means literally ?and before its disappearance?, in the context of the verse, the disappearance of the sun. It is the precise limit between Sunset and Asr prayers. The root of ?? is "Ghraraba", which means ?to disappear?.

Afternoon prayer
Afternoon Quranic time frame from when the sun reaches the middle between noon and sunset, until sunset (1031) By the Afternoon !
(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (Dawn Quranic time frame) and before its disappearance (primarily the ?Afternoon? Quranic time frame)?

The Quranic time frame directly located ?before ?the disappearance of the sun? is ?Asr (the afternoon, 1031). You cannot observe the Noon prayer in the ?Afternoon?, so the afternoon prayer is by definition included in the time period referred to as ?before the disappearance of the sun?.

U wrong, the only phenomena that happens before the setting of the sun is duluk alshams, u have to search for this again

According to the Quran, the ONLY time frame directly adjacent ?before the disappearance of the sun? or ?sunset? is described as ?Asr in 1031.
Open any serious dictionary ?Asr means ?Afternoon?.

Exact same meaning in the following verse
(5039) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before sunset (primarily Afternoon, but also Noon prayer).
The Afternoon prayer is mentioned by name
(223 Preserve strictly the ritual prayers (salawat = 3 or more Salawat), as well as the middle prayer (Salaat al wusta), and stand up before God with humility.
The ?Middle? prayer is the Afternoon prayer, when the course of sun reaches the ?middle? between Noon and Sunset. The ?Middle? prayer is also the middle prayer of all Five daily prayers in Islam (Dawn, Noon, Afternoon, Sunset, Night).

Sunset prayer
Sunset Quranic time frame visual disappearance of the sun until the apparition of stable darkness at the end of twilight (921) And the night (layl) as it is spreading. ( = imperfect tense action in the process = there is still light in the sky).
(11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer at both extremities of the daylight (dual plural = two entities. Referring to Dawn and Sunset Quranic time frames)?
(20130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (= Dawn prayer) and before its disappearance (Afternoon, and Noon prayers), as well as from the (first) hours of the night (= Sunset/Night prayers), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities (regular plural = three or more extremities) of the daylight, that you may be content.

The limit between the Afternoon and Sunset prayers is ?the (complete) disappearance of the sun?. Once the sun has completely disappeared visually in the sky at sea level, it is time for the Sunset prayer.

17.2.5 Night prayer
Night Quranic time frame The dark night
(932) And when the night (layl) has darkened ( = perfect tense = action is over = stable state of darkness = when there is no more daylight in the sky).

The ?Night prayer? (Salaat al 'Ichaa) is mentioned by name in 2458.
20130 above says that we shall praise God ?from the (first) hours of the night (= Sunset/Night prayers), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities of the daylight (regular plural = three or more extremities), that you may be content.?
The Arabic expression which stands for ?from the (first) hours of the night? (Aanaa? llayl) is plural and describes an extended period of time that is much too short for the Sunset time frame alone described in 921 (barely an hour). Therefore ?from the (first) hours of the night? englobes both the ?Sunset? (921) and ?dark Night? (932) Quranic time frames.

(11114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer ( &#1614 at both extremities of the daylight ( = Dawn + Sunset), and (&#1608 in the early watches of the night ( = Night prayer) verily good deeds repel evil deeds. This is a reminder for those who celebrate (their Lord).

All these FIVE precise Salaat times correspond to FIVE specific Quranic time frames.
People who claim that some verses do not refer to Salaat time frames are exposed by 5039-40
(5039) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before sunset, (5040) And (starting) from the night ( &#1616, so glorify Him (&#1615, as well as at the ends of the prostrations ( &#1616.

Even though the word Salaat is not mentioned in 5039-40, the fact we shall glorify God at the ends of the ?prostrations? (Arabic plural = three or more) makes it clear we are dealing with Salaat and Salaat times. Only those who are to arrogant to prostrate during Salaat will reject this incontrovertible proof.
We have seen in this post that indeed Salaat has been prescribed at very specific times wich coincide with specific Quranic time frames.

this is enaugh, if u think i am wrong, let me know if u know arabic i might make one post for u in arabic, good clear explanation.
Do what allah told u and not what anybody suggested that allah told u , salat with it's details is in the quran, the quran is fullu detailed
I saw u asked wakas about prostration, i do believe that salat is reading the quran and prostrating, standing and prostrating, just as the quran said, some people believe there is no physical prostrating, i don't know if they're right or wrong, only allah knows, but if they're good people, believe in the quran, apply it on themselves and love allah,; they're prostrationg continusely 24h/day, there is nothing better than that, for i need to prostrate to my creator at least physically, for i know i make too much mistakes so i am far from beign prostrating continuously

God bless you that at least you understand that prostration is both mental and physical as we have both a mind and a body. We need to submit willingly both to Allah. I hope you review by yourself the meaning of the words in the Salaat time verses checking dictionaries, and clear your mind from the lies of Freeminds, who are nothing but arrogant revisionists of Islam who know better than anyone else.
6842 The day will come when they will be exposed, and they will be required to fall prostrate, but they will be unable to.

You have nothing to gain staying with the losers on this forum who deny the five prayers, and disconnect themselves completely with Quran. Even the sunnis and Shias who messed up Islam but follow the Quran when it comes to pray FIVE times, even though they nullify their prayers by mentioning names beside God in their Salawat. What do you have to gain with losers like Ayman who claim they prostrate mentally, but arrogantly refuse to prostrate physically ? I truly advise you to stay away from them. I am simply trying to help people with the Salaat issue as I studied it in depth and cannot stand to see evil people leading other people astray.

Peace

Pierre

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Salaam to everyone,

If u speak or understand arabic, can u study this , in the language of the quran, and tell me what u think ! , I believe in the 3 prayers , 2 parts of the day and nafila at night, study this one , and if u understand, i can send more of these analysis , so we can agree with the explanation, or give some critics, i believe the best way , or the ultimate way if we argue, we go back to the original text of the quran, for all translations are made by those who already have beliefs and no one in neutral, no matter how he acts as quran alone or secular or whatever, because fo u , u are so sure about 5 prayers that u don't study the quran objectively, but u study it to prouve your point, I don't want your point of view, i want the truth that is in the quran, and this text in arabic that explains with the language of the quran, and explaining verses with verses, gets me to the conclusion of 2 salats, i don't trust translations 100% , that' all

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Salam Pierre

<<<I presented a study on Salaat based on the Quran, not Rashad. Am I perfect ? No.
I said the Quran is the perfect messenger, not Rashad.>>>

So Ayman and Wakas claim too and many more here on this forum?Shall we say their research and understandings are correct?!

It?s indisputable that Quran is the perfect messenger ?The main point is that who is in control of teaching it to us? The One Who our guidance is in His Hands has promised if we reject His revelation He would put veils on our hearts not to understand it?No matter how much one try to extract the guidance from the Quran if God doesn?t Will the person doesn?t reap anything other than wickedness.

God specifically asks us that trust His Messengers?.If Rashad as His Messenger was on the wrong Path then by all means God the Most Merciful intentionally appointed a stray man as His Messenger to lead the people to the darkness regarding their Salat ,Zakt,Hajj and fasting?.Does that befit God in doing so?....Rashad died as he completed his mission?..As I said for 8 years he was told he was a messenger of God without telling to anybody and then God after 8 years asked him to announce his messngership?.Does that mean anything to you at all or would you want keep repeating your egoistic understanding?
It doesn?t matter how much you?ve done study about it, it doesn?t mean your understanding is correct. It doesn?t mean you?re guided better than Rashad regarding those rituals as he became imam to lead the people according to the below verse;

We made them imams who guided in accordance with our commandments, and we taught them how to work righteousness, and how to observe the Contact Prayers.

Rashad was a messenger and God made him to become an imam too.

Your ego is telling us that God didn?t guide him and it looks like you deserved to be a messenger rather than him.

<<<Can you show me one verse in the Quran which confirms the Chahadah he recited in his Salaat ?>>>

In your opinion since this part ?Wahdahu Laa Shareeka Lah? is not in those verses then we violating some command by declaring it.....Would you think Rashad didn?t notice that part is not written in 318?.....Would you think God let him declare it in his prayers and lead the people in their prayer too by setting a bad example and then asked him to say that he was God chosen one?
You don?t have answer to my questions and yet you say you believe in him as being a messenger.

The second part of Shahada is reflection of essence of CH17111, CH112 and 1651.

<<<Over 20 years after Rashad's departure, we still have the right to study the Quran.>>>

We all should do...It?s our duty and command of God?..Who has onjection to it?

<<<The study I presented provides in my opinion a number of valuable remarks, and a sum of details I have not found elsewhere so far. The most valuable aspect is the explanation of the Salaat time frames. We need to understand that in depth, to help people not be fooled by people who lost the 5 Salawat. >>>

Isn?t it interesting that you think that your study of Salat which is purifying it after being purified by a messenger of God is the correct one? Wow what an inflated ego?.So you?re a messenger in disguise like those fake messenger after Rashad.

Regarding Rashad?s translation it?s up to the people and their level of their understanding and research when it comes studying it?No translation will ever convoy the whole message of the Quran without any mistakes one way or another because Quran the Scripture is in perfect Arabic ?.Your criticism could have some value if you could have given me one translation which is perfect??.a student of the Quran who does research always do his/her research based on Arabic Quran not on any translation ?.

Whatever you think of Rashad?s translation it doesn?t give you the right to think or say that you?ve got the truth in your hand.
I just recently did some research about ? bayni yadayhi wamin khalfihi? and noticed this translation by Edip&Layth

1964-??we are not sent except by the command of your Lord. To Him is our present and our future, and all that is in-between. Your Lord was never to forget.

Such a simple verse gets wrongly translated just because the concept the meaning of the those words in that verse from the beginning was not correct. I leave it to the readers to find out about it.

You like traditionalist Muslims make the same mistake by claiming knowing the Arabic is essential in understanding the message of God while we all know the language is irrelevant?.You criticize Rashad?s translation because of the poor English or some words haven?t been correctly translated?.A sincere believer is after understanding the message of God in the his translation not perfect English version of the Quran because he/she knows that Quran is the Scripture not the translation.
You see yourself above Rashad.

<<<In addition he sometimes misinterpreted the Quran, for instance he believed that satan is the Khalifa on earth, when it is Adam whom God appointed as a Khalifa on earth (satan is horribly jealous of that)>>>

This is your understanding?since it?s yours then please refrain accusing Rashad?s understanding as mistake.
As a matter of fact I had problem with that Khalifa being Adam for years befor become a submitter?.I had read so many explanation and opinions before that but never understood or accepted it was Adam?.As soon I read Rashad?s interpration puzzle was solved.
Adam wasn?t created and agnles didn?t know what God was going to create then how on earth they knew he was going to shed blood on earth except that they knew the one who God was talking about already had doen the feud in high heaven.

<<<Also check in 1850 how Rashad mistranslated "he became a jinn" instead of "he was one of the jinns" (kaana minal jinni, &#1606.>>>

I believe you still don?t know or haven?t grasped the meaning of the word of Jinn.

<<<For Rashad's translation, look how many Submitters believe his translation is perfect. What happened with Rashad is the same as other messengers in the past some people started idolizing him. There are so many things you simply cannot understand from his translation if it is the only thing you read, because sometimes it is badly translated.
Example

(2226) We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it (?!), those who live near it (?), and those who bow and prostrate. (Rashad' translation)>>>

Maybe if you would have taken the 2227 into account then you might have understood why Rashad translated the word of ?wal-qimna ' as ?those who live near it' to give the better understanding because visitors of the Kaaba go for circumbulation not for holiday and purifying the house is for both visitors and the people who live near it too not just for visitors.

He not only didn?t make a mistakes but also gave the depth purpose of meaning beyond the purifying the House of God.
I wouldn?t say your interpretation is wrong either?I only say that you can?t say he made mistakes.
Doing research on that word would give you an insight that how Rashad was right there.

Well Pierre so far I only witnessed your ego by claiming how Rashad as a Messenger of God made mistakes and you are the guided one?Maybe we should take complain to God why He didn?t appoint you as His Messenger because you?re telling us to listen to you instead of him, shall we?!!

BTW I do not idolize Rashad?I know his translation is not perfect as Arabic Quran as you expect but I believe that his translation convoys the true message of God in best way. Please compare 2215 with those 25 translations and see how he beautifully translated that verse which teaches the whole essence of message of worshiping God Alone there.

Messengers of God are blessing from Him, let be appreciative of His blessing by trusting them as God demand us not trying destroying that trust in hearts of servants of God.

3164GOD has blessed the believers by raising in their midst a messenger from among them, to recite for them His revelations, and to purify them, and to teach them the scripture and wisdom. Before this, they had gone totally astray.

Asana

Asana

Peace Mazhar

My apology for not making attention to the Shadda on Ra but it doesn?t still make Dr.Khalifa a cheater for the counting the word of Rasoul in entire Quran including 9128 which is 116.

The same form of counting goes for the word of ?Arsh? in the Quran as Dr.Khalifa counted.

And you didn?t deny that your count of Elaaha is not 39 !

Asana

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar

My apology for not making attention to the Shadda on Ra but it doesn?t still make Dr.Khalifa a cheater for the counting the word of Rasoul in entire Quran including 9128 which is 116.

The same form of counting goes for the word of ?Arsh? in the Quran as Dr.Khalifa counted.

And you didn?t deny that your count of Elaaha is not 39 !

Asana

Peace Asana,

I have proved, using his own formula 19, with regard to the words of Ayat 9128 and 9129 that both are the genuine part of Qur'aan and not inserted ones as he vehemently tried to prove by hook or crook.

See also his trick about Qul and Faqul.

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