In depth study on Salaat in Quran
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Peace,
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And not Muhammad only a Messenger, certainly passed away from before him Messengers
So if he died or is slain (qutila)...Above does not rule out the possibility although presumption applying to RK and his bizarre numerology is absurd.
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
9128
9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
9
= 19 x...!9129
9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9
= 19 x...!9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
= 19 x...!9128129
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9128129
= 19 x 19 x...!!9128-129 the 19th word is Allah!
9128-129 total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!)
9129 ? number of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah is 19!
9129 from and including Allah to end of the verse is multiple of 19!
130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 = 19 x ?!Miracle verifier http//markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php
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@Noon De Plume,
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
Forget about all those jumbo-mambo SUDOKU games.
How about the straightforward 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19 ?!!! ;D
Let me know about any other chapter in The Qur'aan having the above same & simple property.
Peace,
Khalil -
@Noon De Plume,
Forget about all those jumbo-mambo SUDOKU games.
How about the straightforward 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19 ?!!! ;D
Let me know about any other chapter in The Qur'aan having the above same & simple property.
Peace,
KhalilSure 1 + 7 + 3 + 8 = 19 ...
1738 All of this is bad and disliked by your Lord.
Peace
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Sure 1 + 7 + 3 + 8 = 19 ...
1738 All of this is bad and disliked by your Lord.
Peace
I believe you deliberately misunderstood my point, which was to explain that chapter 9 is the only chapter that emphasizes to us, that it has 127 verses, not 129. Again 9127 = 9+1+2+7 = 19!
Peace,
Khalil -
Hilarious ;D
On a related note, 875 is not part of the quran! You see 8+7+4=19 thus any verse that comes after 874 can't possibly be part of the quran!!
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
Khalil -
Salaam Khalil,
From mmkhan3144
It seems that there is a bit of contradiction within your "reasoning."
peace,
KhalilThank you for the aayat.
Brother please read the same aayat carefully again. It talks about Rasool again, not Al-Rasool. You missed it bro.
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May Allah open our hearts to understand correctly.
Mohammed M. Khan -
Salaam Khalil,
Thank you for the aayat.
Brother please read the same aayat carefully again. It talks about Rasool again, not Al-Rasool. You missed it bro.
3144
May Allah open our hearts to understand correctly.
Mohammed M. KhanSalaam Mohammed and all,
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and WE sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
Why try to deny the straightforward Quran ? Why don't you simply admit that indeed a number of messenger that God sent were indeed murdered ? Why try to play on words when they are clear ? When God said "WE gave Jesus clear signs", does it mean that yes he was a messenger, but a false messenger ? ;D If you claim that no messenger of God cannot be slain in the light of 287 and a number of other verses, it means you are not a sincere person. Yes God protected messengers, all of them, all along their lives. But he also allowed eventually some to be slain to expose the guilty, so they will have to face exactly who they are on the Day of Judgment.
The real reason why Rashad was assassinated is because he proclaimed "La elaha ela Allah". (3735)
He proved with the Quran that people who mention Muhammad beside God are not believers (3945, 4012).
The disbelievers simply could not stand the truth and silenced him.This alone is the proof he was a messenger. The problem is that people are only willing to accept messengers that are perfect (they make up their own definition of a messenger), who are somewhat divine and never make any mistakes. Sorry guys, it was not the case of Rashad, nor of any of the past messengers including Muhammad, Moses, Jesus etc.... They all made numerous mistakes, and it is why people rejected them, together with the fact that they hated the message of Oneness of God that they preached, and even killed some of them out of rage.
Pierre
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Salaam Pierre,
Salaam Mohammed and all,
287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and WE sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
Why try to deny the straightforward Quran ? Why don't you simply admit that indeed a number of messenger that God sent were indeed murdered ? Why try to play on words when they are clear ? When God said "WE gave Jesus clear signs", does it mean that yes he was a messenger, but a false messenger ? ;D If you claim that no messenger of God cannot be slain in the light of 287 and a number of other verses, it means you are not a sincere person. Yes God protected messengers, all of them, all along their lives. But he also allowed eventually some to be slain to expose the guilty, so they will have to face exactly who they are on the Day of Judgment.
Brother if you cannot see the clear difference in Rasool and Al+Rasool, then I am sorry to say that I cannot make you see that. Please ask Allah to help you and make you understand what I am trying to show you. He is the all Listener and Knower, Alhamdulillah.
I found you no different from the followers of Hadith brother, cause they do the same, they check AlQuraan and try to tally what is already in their minds, they don't want to look for Allah's instructions. I am sorry to say that.
Please bro, don't ask Allah to make you the best of follower of Rashad Khalifa, same as hadith followers do that 'Ya Allah make us the believer and followers of Rasool's sunna, but ask Allah for THE CORRECT PATH whatever it might be.
Again, 287 is also about Rasool NOT Al+Rasool as follows
Try to have a close look once more brother.
The real reason why Rashad was assassinated is because he proclaimed "La elaha ela Allah". (3735)
He proved with the Quran that people who mention Muhammad beside God are not believers (3945, 4012).
The disbelievers simply could not stand the truth and silenced him.But he did not proved 3945 and 4012 to me, I don't even know him.
But Allah guided me with that and also with 1745-46 without anyone's help, Alhamdulillah.This alone is the proof he was a messenger.
As Allah shown me these aayaats, I am also showing these to others since long. Is that mean, I am also a messenger? &
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
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@Noon de Plume
When I read your calculation of 9128-129 by being multiple of 19 I thought how God allowed that happens?.It took me a while till Glory be to God things got explained in my heart?Woww I saw the hand of Satan there .How? Let me tell you.
The opening verse of the Quran God introduce himself as being Al-Rahman ,Al-Rahim.This verse has 19 letters multiple by 19 =1??..The number One signifies that there is one Elah (god)and One Rab not more than that.
Then I saw the only verse in entire Quran the same word that God introduced Himself by it(Rahim) has been used in 9128 for Prophet Mohammad??..And you proved it is multiple of 19??Glory be to God two verses with two entities being called Rahim???One is Lord of universe and the other is a human being ??Now there are 2 gods there ,one is God and the other is Mohammad and two verses are multiple of 19 too which means both have signature on it. ??.So is it possible there be two gods in the Quran to be called Rahim?!No way!........Very well composed Satan!!
If you think Satan didn?t know about number 19 then surely you don?t know about Bahai faith made by him through number 19???Ask yourself why Bahai faith consider number 19 being holy etc and why number 19?.........And now why 9128 contains the word of Rahim too is multiple of 19 and doesn?t have the opening verse as God introduction Him to us?
As God says this number is a trial and it increases the faith of the believers ?.You as disbeliever in it are fighting with it ?.You think by pointing out that 9128 is multiple of 19 actually proved it that there can?t be two gods with that word of introduction as the first verse which God introduced Him to us..
BTW I wouldn?t want to discuss the depth meaning of the word of Rahim that only befits God.
Praise be to God and thank you NDP for that discovery because you proved it to me that how Satan composed 9128 making it multiple of 19 in order people fail the test to see God?s awesome signature??..he achieved his goal but not for the sincere believers who can see only befits God to be Rahim .
Asana
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Salaam Asana,
@Noon de Plume
When I read your calculation of 9128-129 by being multiple of 19 I thought how God allowed that happens?.It took me a while till Glory be to God things got explained in my heart?Woww I saw the hand of Satan there .How? Let me tell you.
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After looking at so many numbers and numbers and calculations, my eyes catch this...
MashaAllah, what a post... # 114
114 / 19 = 6
And other way
114 = 11 + 4 or 1 + 14 both gives the same result .
Does this mean, each and every word of your post is correct? !
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth pr
Mohammed M. Khan -
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
KhalilO' I see, you were being serious with that (i'll be nice in choice of words) silly example.
Then post the actual hadith history along with others about goat/animal eating missing chapters, verses, etc., so everyone can see what infatuation with nineteen numerology is all about and tell us how many verses exactly in chapter 9 ? 19, 91, 109, 145, 154, 163...?
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9 + 1 + 0 + 9 = 19
9 + 1 + 1 + 8 = 19
9 + 1 + 2 + 7 = 19
9 + 1 + 3 + 6 = 19
9 + 1 + 4 + 5 = 19
?The only Chapter in entire Quran the last verse of it talks about God who has counted every things is 7228 ??..7+2+2+8=19
If you think God is not in full control of running the universe then go head and say that?s a coincidence!
Asana
No coincidence flipping digits until find what you are looking for; you have to be consistent, so which is it?
72+28 = 100
7+2+28 = 37
7+2+2+8 = 19Then apply the same consistently to each and every verse...
1849 ... has recorded it (i.e. all life events)...
1994 Verily, He has recorded them and counted them, a counting
7228 ?and He takes account/records all things number
586 ... Has recorded it Allah
7829 ... and everything We have recorded it (in) a book...
@Noon de Plume
Praise be to God and thank you NDP for that discovery because you proved it to me that how Satan composed 9128 making it multiple of 19 in order people fail the test to see God?s awesome signature??..he achieved his goal but not for the sincere believers who can see only befits God to be Rahim .
Asana
Peace -- you are welcome!
Let me know if you like to see the same with any other verse using any other number -- perhaps 29?
Like there are 29 words in first chapter same as there are 29 words in 9128-129!
Let?s apply numerology to the two verses he cast out?
9128
9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
9
= 19 x...!9129
9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9
= 19 x...!9
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
= 19 x...!9128129
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401 705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2001680 20081040
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040
9128129
= 19 x 19 x...!!9128-129 the 19th word is Allah!
9128-129 total letters 60 + 54 = 114 (6 x 19!)
9129 ? number of letters from beginning of verse to including Allah is 19!
9129 from and including Allah to end of the verse is multiple of 19!
130305 301 1305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 = 19 x ?!Miracle verifier http//markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.php
One more using word counts to strengthened your infatuation for all things nineteen...
9128129
301004 1 3112040 2 20060630 3 4050 4 15080602040 5 707107 6 7030105 7 401 8 705040040 9 82001090 10 7030102040 11 213040640501050 12 2001680 13 20081040 14
80150 15 40063061 16 8010030 17 860210 18 130305 19 301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29
9128129
= 19 x ...!Of course it would not be a miracle unless from Allah to the end is multiple...
130305 19 301 20 1305 21 1301 22 56 23 7030105 24 40062030400 25 656 26 2002 27 13070200300 28 130709001040 29
= 19 x ...!Peace
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@Noon de Plume
<<<1849 ... has recorded it (i.e. all life events)... >>>
Nice try! The verse is about our records in hereafter!
<<<1994 Verily, He has recorded them and counted them, a counting>>>
The verse is talking about everything in heaven and the earth.
<<<586 ... Has recorded it Allah >>>
Again this verse is related to our records.
<<<7829 ... and everything We have recorded it (in) a book...>>>
Again the verse related to our records.
<<<7228 ?and He takes account/records all things number>>>
But above verse is related to Scriptures/messages of God and every thing!!
<<<Like there are 29 words in first chapter same as there are 29 words in 9128-129!>>>Glory be to God and thank you again?.You proved it for me again that it?s impossible the word of Rahim belongs to two gods Allah and Mohammad.
I?m not infatuated by the numbers?I?m amazed to see how you defend your idol calling him Rahim and how by code 19 trying to prove it that he?s god beside God in that verses having signature of God on it.
Asana
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But above verse is related to Scriptures/messages of God and every thing!!
<<<Like there are 29 words in first chapter same as there are 29 words in 9128-129!>>>Glory be to God and thank you again?.You proved it for me again that it?s impossible the word of Rahim belongs to two gods Allah and Mohammad.
I?m not infatuated by the numbers?I?m amazed to see how you defend your idol calling him Rahim and how by code 19 trying to prove it that he?s god beside God in that verses having signature of God on it.
Asana
Peace Asana,
ruamu plural adjective
4829 ?
Muhammad Messenger of Allah and those who with him firm against l-kufri (fitna people) and merciful among themselves?
Therefore,
115
1116 = 4 x 29!
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You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only chapter in dispute here is chapter 9. No one has ever had any doubts about the integrity of any other part of The Qur'aan. Historically, only the number of verses in chapter 9 has been in question, not any other part of The Qur'aan.
Peace,
KhalilPeace,
You "wise" guys are shunning away from a very important point here. The only evidence of this so-called 'dispute' you have is gathered from the delusional fantasies commonly referred to as ahadith.
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Peace
The only Chapter in entire Quran the last verse of it talks about God who has counted every things is 7228 ??..7+2+2+8=19
If you think God is not in full control of running the universe then go head and say that?s a coincidence!
Asana
Salaam,
9127 (9+1+2+7 = 19) Whenever a sura was revealed, some of them would look at each other as if to say "Does anyone see you?" (as they conspire against the Quran) Then they left. Thus, GOD has diverted their hearts, for they are people who do not comprehend.
7228 (7+2+2+8 = 19) This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.Well done. I had forgotten about that. I think no other of the 114 last verses of any given sura has such a quality.
Pierre
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Salaam Pierre,
Brother if you cannot see the clear difference in Rasool and Al+Rasool, then I am sorry to say that I cannot make you see that. Please ask Allah to help you and make you understand what I am trying to show you. He is the all Listener and Knower, Alhamdulillah.
I found you no different from the followers of Hadith brother, cause they do the same, they check AlQuraan and try to tally what is already in their minds, they don't want to look for Allah's instructions. I am sorry to say that.
Please bro, don't ask Allah to make you the best of follower of Rashad Khalifa, same as hadith followers do that 'Ya Allah make us the believer and followers of Rasool's sunna, but ask Allah for THE CORRECT PATH whatever it might be.
Again, 287 is also about Rasool NOT Al+Rasool as follows
Try to have a close look once more brother.
But he did not proved 3945 and 4012 to me, I don't even know him.
But Allah guided me with that and also with 1745-46 without anyone's help, Alhamdulillah.As Allah shown me these aayaats, I am also showing these to others since long. Is that mean, I am also a messenger? &
May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan287 To Moses We gave the Book (Torah) and WE sent after him other Messengers in succession; then We gave Jesus, the son of Mary, clear Signs and strengthened him with the Holy Spirit (Gabriel). Why is it that whenever there came to you a Messenger with a message which did not suit your desires, you became so arrogant that to some of them you called impostors and others you killed!
Salaam,
287 is about "al rusuli" (, the messengers) and "rasuloon" (, a messenger) as well. In both cases they refer to messengers of God, some of whom were assassinated. If you are not sincere enough to admit that, then there is not much to say, except that you are not a sincere person. So why do you try to claim we do not understand when it is you who is attempting to deny the most obvious truth ? By the way, that "Jesus" mentioned in 287 (I am not sure who that guy is confused), is he a messenger of God or a false messenger ?! hmm
Please Mohammed, how far are you going to go to deny the truth and claim that it is the others who do not get it !? nopePierre
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Salaam,
9127 (9+1+2+7 = 19) Whenever a sura was revealed, some of them would look at each other as if to say "Does anyone see you?" (as they conspire against the Quran) Then they left. Thus, GOD has diverted their hearts, for they are people who do not comprehend.
7228 (7+2+2+8 = 19) This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.Well done. I had forgotten about that. I think no other of the 114 last verses of any given sura has such a quality.
Pierre
Certainly not first chapter 17 = 8
What you all post as evidence is absurd numerology for the naivest of people.
Here you go, a few more to feed your fitna infatuation with nineteen...
123456789101112131415161718192021222324252627282930313233343536373839404142434445464748495051525354555657
585960616263646566676869707172737475767778798081828384858687888990919293949596979899100
101102103104105106107108109110111112113114115116117118119120121122123124125126127128129
= 19 x...!91289129 = 19 x 4804691
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Yhr problem of scientific verses isn't that it 'll be understood by future generations, the translators if they did translate , we created the heavens and x'ill be expanding
litterally expanding = mouwasiooun , the translators tried to put what they understand, if they took it litterally than it will be understood by the most primitif man, well, i guess it didn't make sense to pitckall and yusuf ali, so they translate what they mean
All scientific verses are understood with the litteral meaning of the language, all of them, there is no guessing or discovering , read all of them in arabic and u qill see
as for prophet mohamed, i believe he knows the relationship of god and men better than any of us, remember? he saw the one who reveals to him the revelation, in the horizon , than came nearer , and he seen him another descent, near the lot tre etc....
none of us can understand this phenomena, so no matter how scientific we'll be, we'll never get a little of what he knew, and most of all, he get the most valuable book to humanity , he understand at least duluk shams better than u
the problem is you're trying to forget about the quran and focus on a digit , like we didn't believe in the quran before the digit 19 , the quran doesn't need a digit for people to believe, my grand fathers if u ask them they'll tell u the quran is the word of god with no doubt, and the generations before , even the worst sectariens tell u that the quran is the word of god, so u really believe that because of digit 19 , people will relise that the quran is the word of god? what about non muslims? u think u present them a digit 19 to believe? they don't care about calculating, people are not willing to calculate for days to proove that 19 is a digit denominator etc... people believe in the message , the content or they don't believe, just as it was exposed by prophet mohamed . u guys even try to contradict the quran and using maths to prouve the 5 prayers? what about the regular average person who don't count like u ? is he supposed to be a follower ? trusting u as people trusted bukhari and all ? ... I mean if u want to belong to a sect, i don't mind, if u want to belong to a person called himself a mesenger , doesn't bother me , but u came here and say these people are hypocrits and all, isn't a work of a messenger, u have no knowlige of the quranic language and u pretends that u studied the quran in debts
I say Duluk Dalw Fi Biir
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very clear in arabi =
bucket going down in the wellDuluk is used only for a buckt when it's going down,
Find me an arabic sentence that says duluk about somthing coming from high, than i might believe u
For now something coming from high is called Tadali, or hubut , or nuzul , but never duluk, even the word dululk has two word similar, Dulu = bucket and dalak = rubbing
search more and bring prof, u never know, but as long as it is now, i lnow the word duluk in arabic, so , there is a problem, one of us is wrong, and without arrogance, people need proof, concrete proof , not just following, plus u used the verse toudhiroun that has nothing to do with salat , no order of anything in this verse, so look in other verse u might find somthing,Salaam,
No duluk is not just used for a bucket. Do you see any mention of a bucket in 1778 (just joking here  .
Duluk means "decline" in general, like the decline of the sun at noon, which is the most common translation in the Arab and Muslim world.
You were right that 'Asr means time. But it also means "afternoon" as well. It is one of those many words that have several meanings.
If you do not agree with it, then why does God tell us to "glorify before sunset" ( , 5039) or "glorify before its disappearance" ( , 20130, meaning the disappearance of the sun) ? I am sorry, but the time period right before sunset is big time the "afternoon". Do you believe that God decreed salaat at specific times (4103) or do you think he outlined specific times to glorify Him just for amusement and it means nothing ?Reminder In 5039-40, the verse makes it clear that it is a Salaat as we glorify God "at the ends of the prostrations" ( ), so please do not claim that when God tells us to glorify Him, it has nothing to do with a Salaat.
Think about it.
Pierre