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I agree also with brother hawk.
Like your signature brother parvez,"same old stuff".Sadly we cannot change them, just like they will never succeed to change us .
Nor should we worry, truth has been thrown at falsehood by the Creator (Qoran).
All there is left to say to some is "Wait, we are also waiting".
GOD bless .
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Peace The Sardar, I do think Ju5 or jew5 has an agenda and is attacking Islam.
I've seen it too many times. An intelligent person has questions about the deen
but the hate comes seething through. Ju5 or jew5 does not respect or want
answers he only wants to confound! He is intelligent enough to know that humans
misunderstand, mistranslate, have a bias, or have an agenda. The believer takes
the best.3918
Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has guided,
and those are people of understanding.Peace huruf I think those brothers are wasting their time.
peace
I think so clearly with Ju5, but there may be other readers we do not about who benefit from it. Sometimes when I feel capable I do write in spite of everything because I do think there are others who indeed are honestly interested. For their sake I think I should be more patient. But on the other hand, I am not God nd being patient in this kind of action takes time snd may be mental capcity which at times for other reasons may be overdemanded. Still one hates that any cheeky fasiq gets away with taking us for ride into nonsenseland.
Thank you for your words, I think they make me feel less of a naughty girl.
Salaam
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I think so clearly with Ju5, but there may be other readers we do not about who benefit from it. Sometimes when I feel capable I do write in spite of everything because I do think there are others who indeed are honestly interested. For their sake I think I should be more patient. But on the other hand, I am not God nd being patient in this kind of action takes time snd may be mental capcity which at times for other reasons may be overdemanded. Still one hates that any cheeky fasiq gets away with taking us for ride into nonsenseland.
Thank you for your words, I think they make me feel less of a naughty girl.
Salaam
I shudder to think of you as a naughty girl. No offense.
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Did i say something bad?
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No one answered. Only forum pollution. Maybe you don't answer me because you don't want me to be saved. Are you hiding the truth from the people like the people of the book in the qur'an? Or don't you even have any explanation?
I DARE ANYONE to explain to me that Iblis isn't one of the lil'malikati angels/controllers/whatever word you want to make up in the aya 234.
Come on, speak what is in your heart. TYPE the message, Dare say that iblis isn't one of the angels/controllers/truckdriver/whatever who didn't "sajada" verb= to prostrate/give aknowledgement(translation from Wakas the mighty linguist)/whatever verb you want that word to mean(as i know you like to change the meaning of every single freaking world if it says a bad thing or contradictory one, what is strange is that you never question the meaning of good things, curious isn't it??!the meaning of words has been lost except in good verses! ha!)
Here is the catch i don't care what lil'malikati means. Allah says those guys always obey him in 1649. They are not arrogant. EVERYONE did sajada(i don't care what sajada means either), SAVE IBLIS, who became a kafir. WAITING IMPATIENTLY free minds snake oil salesmen to tell me that ill doesn't mean except. That would be GLORIOUS. And later it even says Iblis refused, Muhammad is not helping! So what is the next target for quranists and friends? To change the meaning of 1649 of course !
1649 And to God prostrate(sajada) all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels(or controllers/truckdrivers/insert what you want), and they are not arrogant.
1650 They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are commanded.
(Notethis is from the free-minds qur'an on the homepage.)That is a lot of words to change ! Can quranists devils twist the meaning of each of these words? Let's see if they are up to the task ! To give you a helping hand you snakes, i put in bold the words needing to be changed ! Of course these are just clues, you can change the meaning of every single word, say that it speaks about something else, or if ever the ultimate defense it was a metaphor! the angels/controllers don't REALLY obey allah. They don't REALLY fear their Lord. They do what they are commanded MOST of the time!
OR It was a pun for Allah to enforce that only iblis is a disbeliever. He just forgot to write it. There was not enough space on the scrolls. He prefered to tell us the story of iblis disobeying him for the fourth time, because we can't get enough of it.
TRUTH VS MUSLIMS ROUND ONE. Good luck !
PS there is obvious hatred toward lies in this text. Only dishonest people will let this hatred darkens their judgement. I am READY to apologize if you have a sound explanation. Although if you manage to do it you can call me Queen Elizabeth.
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No one answered. Only forum pollution. Maybe you don't answer me because you don't want me to be saved. Are you hiding the truth from the people like the people of the book in the qur'an? Or don't you even have any explanation?
I DARE ANYONE to explain to me that Iblis isn't one of the lil'malikati angels/controllers/whatever word you want to make up in the aya 234.
Come on, speak what is in your heart. TYPE the message, Dare say that iblis isn't one of the angels/controllers/truckdriver/whatever who didn't "sajada" verb= to prostrate/give aknowledgement(translation from Wakas the mighty linguist)/whatever verb you want that word to mean(as i know you like to change the meaning of every single freaking world if it says a bad thing or contradictory one, what is strange is that you never question the meaning of good things, curious isn't it??!the meaning of words has been lost except in good verses! ha!)
Here is the catch i don't care what lil'malikati means. Allah says those guys always obey him in 1649. They are not arrogant. EVERYONE did sajada(i don't care what sajada means either), SAVE IBLIS, who became a kafir. WAITING IMPATIENTLY free minds snake oil salesmen to tell me that ill doesn't mean except. That would be GLORIOUS. And later it even says Iblis refused, Muhammad is not helping! So what is the next target for quranists and friends? To change the meaning of 1649 of course !
1649 And to God prostrate(sajada) all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels(or controllers/truckdrivers/insert what you want), and they are not arrogant.
1650 They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are commanded.
(Notethis is from the free-minds qur'an on the homepage.)That is a lot of words to change ! Can quranists devils twist the meaning of each of these words? Let's see if they are up to the task ! To give you a helping hand you snakes, i put in bold the words needing to be changed ! Of course these are just clues, you can change the meaning of every single word, say that it speaks about something else, or if ever the ultimate defense it was a metaphor! the angels/controllers don't REALLY obey allah. They don't REALLY fear their Lord. They do what they are commanded MOST of the time!
OR It was a pun for Allah to enforce that only iblis is a disbeliever. He just forgot to write it. There was not enough space on the scrolls. He prefered to tell us the story of iblis disobeying him for the fourth time, because we can't get enough of it.
TRUTH VS MUSLIMS ROUND ONE. Good luck !
PS there is obvious hatred toward lies in this text. Only dishonest people will let this hatred darkens their judgement. I am READY to apologize if you have a sound explanation. Although if you manage to do it you can call me Queen Elizabeth.
Bold Have you seen this verse?
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Wa-ith qulna lilmala-ikatiosjudoo li-adama fasajadoo illa ibleesa kanamina aljinni fafasaqa AAan amri rabbihi afatattakhithoonahuwathurriyyatahu awliyaa min doonee wahum lakumAAaduwwun bi/sa lilththalimeena badalan
And We said to the angels "Yield to Adam." So they all yielded except for Iblis. He was of the Jinn, he disobeyed the order of his Lord. Will you take him and his progeny as allies besides Me, while they are your enemy? Miserable for the transgressors is the substitute!And please, there is no need to call everyone here snakes or devils. I don't want this go bonkers and all. Salam/Peace.
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No one answered. Only forum pollution. Maybe you don't answer me because you don't want me to be saved. Are you hiding the truth from the people like the people of the book in the qur'an? Or don't you even have any explanation?
Actually me & Noon did. Check our responses here
this thread is all over the place.
like daughter inherits twice as much as her two brothers
each person's hands (figuratively)!
2424 day it witness upon them alsinatuhum/the tongues (sayings) theirs wa-aydhim/and hands (actions) theirs wa-arjuluhum/and feet (deeds) theirs in what be they of working
Here is verses before & after 1649-50
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Innama qawluna lishay-in ithaaradnahu an naqoola lahu kun fayakoonu
Indeed, Our saying to a thing, if We wanted it, is that We say to it 'Be,' and it is.1641
Waallatheena hajaroofee Allahi min baAAdi ma thulimoolanubawwi-annahum fee alddunya hasanatanwalaajru al-akhirati akbaru law kanoo yaAAlamoona
And those who have emigrated for God, after they were oppressed, We will grant them good in the world, and the reward of the Hereafter will be greater, if only they knew.1642
Allatheena sabaroo waAAalarabbihim yatawakkaloona
Those who are patient, and put their trust in their Lord.1643
Wama arsalna min qablika illarijalan noohee ilayhim fais-aloo ahla alththikriin kuntum la taAAlamoona
And We did not send any except men before you whom We inspired, so ask the people who have received the Reminder if you do not know.1644
Bialbayyinati waalzzuburiwaanzalna ilayka alththikra litubayyina lilnnasima nuzzila ilayhim walaAAallahum yatafakkaroona
With proofs and the scriptures. And We sent down to you the Reminder to reveal to the people what was sent to them, and perhaps they will think.1645
Afaamina allatheena makaroo alssayyi-atian yakhsifa Allahu bihimu al-arda aw ya/tiyahumualAAathabu min haythu la yashAAuroona
Have those who schemed evil guaranteed that God will not make the earth swallow them, or the retribution come to them from where they do not expect?1646
Aw ya/khuthahum fee taqallubihim famahum bimuAAjizeena
Or that He will take them in their sleep? For they cannot stop it.1647
Aw ya/khuthahum AAalatakhawwufin fa-inna rabbakum laraoofun raheemun
Or that He will take them while they are in a state of fear? Your Lord is Compassionate, Merciful.1648
Awa lam yaraw ila ma khalaqaAllahu min shay-in yatafayyao thilaluhuAAani alyameeni waalshshama-ili sujjadan lillahiwahum dakhiroona
Have they not seen that what God has created of a thing, its shadow inclines to the right and the left in prostration to God; and they are humbled!1649
Walillahi yasjudu ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi min dabbatin waalmala-ikatuwahum la yastakbiroona
And to God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels, and they are not arrogant.1650
Yakhafoona rabbahum min fawqihimwayafAAaloona ma yu/maroona
They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are commanded.1651
Waqala Allahu latattakhithoo ilahayni ithnayni innama huwailahun wahidun fa-iyyaya fairhabooni
And God said "Do not take two gods, there is only One god, so it is Me that you shall reverence."1652
Walahu ma fee alssamawatiwaal-ardi walahu alddeenu wasibanafaghayra Allahi tattaqoona
And to Him is what is in the heavens and the earth, and the system shall be to Him. Is it other than God that you shall be aware of?1653
Wama bikum min niAAmatin famina Allahithumma itha massakumu alddurru fa-ilayhitaj-aroona
And any blessing that is with you is from God. Then, when harm afflicts you, to Him you cry out.1654
Thumma itha kashafa alddurraAAankum itha fareequn minkum birabbihim yushrikoona
Then, when He removes the harm from you, a group of you set up partners with their Lord!1655
Liyakfuroo bima ataynahumfatamattaAAoo fasawfa taAAlamoona
So they reject what We have given them. Enjoy, for you will come to know.1656
WayajAAaloona lima layaAAlamoona naseeban mimma razaqnahum taAllahilatus-alunna AAamma kuntum taftaroona
And they allocate a portion from what We provide for them to that which they have no knowledge of. By God, you will be asked about the lies you have invented!1657
WayajAAaloona lillahi albanatisubhanahu walahum ma yashtahoona
And they assign daughters to God; be He glorified; and to them is what they desire.1658
Wa-itha bushshira ahaduhum bialonthathalla wajhuhu muswaddan wahuwa katheemun
And when one of them is given news of a female, his face becomes darkened and he is in grief!1659
Yatawara mina alqawmi minsoo-i ma bushshira bihi ayumsikuhu AAala hoonin amyadussuhu fee altturabi ala saa mayahkumoona
He hides from his people because of the bad news he has received. Shall he keep her with dishonor, or bury her in the sand? Miserable indeed is how they judge!And the verses before & after 234
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Allatheena yanqudoona AAahdaAllahi min baAAdi meethaqihi wayaqtaAAoona maamara Allahu bihi an yoosala wayufsidoona fee al-ardiola-ika humu alkhasiroona
The ones who break the pledge to God after making its covenant, and they sever what God had ordered to be delivered, and they make corruption on the earth; these are the losers.228
Kayfa takfuroona biAllahiwakuntum amwatan faahyakum thumma yumeetukumthumma yuhyeekum thumma ilayhi turjaAAoona
How can you reject God when you were dead and He brought you to life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, then to Him you return.229
Huwa allathee khalaqa lakum mafee al-ardi jameeAAan thumma istawa ila alssama-ifasawwahunna sabAAa samawatin wahuwa bikullishay-in AAaleemun
He is the One who has created for you all that is on the earth, then He attended to the heaven and has made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.230
Wa-ith qala rabbuka lilmala-ikatiinnee jaAAilun fee al-ardi khaleefatan qalooatajAAalu feeha man yufsidu feeha wayasfiku alddimaawanahnu nusabbihu bihamdika wanuqaddisu lakaqala innee aAAlamu ma la taAAlamoona
And your Lord said to the angels "I am placing a successor on the earth." They said "Will You place in it he who would make corruption in it, and spill blood; while we praise by Your glory, and exalt to You?" He said "I know what you do not know."231
WaAAallama adama al-asmaakullaha thumma AAaradahum AAala almala-ikatifaqala anbi-oonee bi-asma-i haola-iin kuntum sadiqeena
And He taught Adam the names of all things, then He displayed them to the angels and said "Inform Me of the names of these if you are truthful."232
Qaloo subhanaka laAAilma lana illa ma AAallamtanainnaka anta alAAaleemu alhakeemu
They said "Glory to You, we have no knowledge except that which You have taught us, You are the Knowledgeable, the Wise."233
Qala ya adamu anbi/humbi-asma-ihim falamma anbaahum bi-asma-ihim qalaalam aqul lakum innee aAAlamu ghayba alssamawatiwaal-ardi waaAAlamu ma tubdoona wamakuntum taktumoona
He said "O Adam, inform them of their names," so when he informed them of their names, He said "Did I not tell you that I know the unseen of the heavens and the earth, and that I know what you reveal and what you are hiding?"234
Wa-ith qulna lilmala-ikatiosjudoo li-adama fasajadoo illa ibleesa abawaistakbara wakana mina alkafireena
And We said to the angels "Yield to Adam," so they yielded except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the rejecters.235
Waqulna ya adamu oskunanta wazawjuka aljannata wakula minha raghadan haythushi/tuma wala taqraba hathihi alshshajaratafatakoona mina alththalimeena
And We said "O Adam, reside you and your mate in the paradise, and eat from it bountifully as you both wish, and do not come near this tree, else you will be of those who have wronged."236
Faazallahuma alshshaytanuAAanha faakhrajahuma mimma kanafeehi waqulna ihbitoo baAAdukum libaAAdinAAaduwwun walakum fee al-ardi mustaqarrun wamataAAunila heenin
So, the devil caused them to slip from it, and he brought them out from what they were in, and We said "Descend; for you are enemies to one another; and on the earth you will have residence and provisions until the appointed time."237
Fatalaqqa adamu min rabbihikalimatin fataba AAalayhi innahu huwa alttawwabualrraheemu
Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him; He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.238
Qulna ihbitoo minhajameeAAan fa-imma ya/tiyannakum minnee hudan faman tabiAAahudaya fala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoona
We said "Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."239
Waallatheena kafaroo wakaththaboobi-ayatina ola-ika as-habualnnari hum feeha khalidoona
Those who do not appreciate and deny Our signs, they are the dwellers of the fire, in it they will abide.It's important to have context dear brother. Salam/Peace.
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@The sardar
2424 day it witness upon them alsinatuhum/the tongues (sayings) theirs wa-aydhim/and hands (actions) theirs wa-arjuluhum/and feet (deeds) theirs in what be they of working
in 533 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land
do we have the choice between execution, crucifixion, exile or cutting (the actions)? or is it cutting the hand? the fact that you show a verse where hands is figurative, doesn't mean that it is always figurative in other verses. And cutting three or more actions doesn't make sense. It clearly means hands but you refuse to see it because if you were to be neutral on qur'an problems you risk hell and losing heaven. Do i have to repeat the obvious 98575 times before you see evidence? If you don't remove the hands from your eyes why i am typing arguments on my computer?You quoted the context of 1649 (verses before and after). It doesn't change anything. The angels still obey allah, still fear him,still are not arrogant and still do his command.
Then you quoted the context of 234. Iblis still disobeyed Allah.
Then you quote the verse about Iblis being of the Jinns. But clearly in 234 Allah gives an order to angels. All obey save Iblis. It is crystal clear. In fact it is so gross and clear that you refuse to see the evidence because it is so big it is ridiculous. If ever Iblis wasn't an angel because you can't be both angel and jinn, then Allah contradicts himself. Because he gives an order to angels, and all obey save Iblis. Or maybe Allah should learn to speak.
example I told the workers to come earlier and they all did except John. Conclusion John is a worker.
I am sorry man. We were fooled very hard by believing the qur'an was perfect and without errors. Can you understand that i am being rude? You are all posting non arguments, it doesn't mean this it is a metaphor all the times on all the topics as soon as there is a contradiction or a violent/unfair thing. The basis of qur'anism is what? hadith are false because they were transmitted orally and contradict the qur'an? Man ! the qur'an was transmitted orally and contradicts itself ! Now is time to be truthful. If you really are a believer in the creator. To the people saying i have an agenda. My agenda is truth.
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@The sardar
in 533 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land
do we have the choice between execution, crucifixion, exile or cutting (the actions)? or is it cutting the hand? the fact that you show a verse where hands is figurative, doesn't mean that it is always figurative in other verses. And cutting three or more actions doesn't make sense. It clearly means hands but you refuse to see it because if you were to be neutral on qur'an problems you risk hell and losing heaven. Do i have to repeat the obvious 98575 times before you see evidence? If you don't remove the hands from your eyes why i am typing arguments on my computer?You quoted the context of 1649 (verses before and after). It doesn't change anything. The angels still obey allah, still fear him,still are not arrogant and still do his command.
Then you quoted the context of 234. Iblis still disobeyed Allah.
Then you quote the verse about Iblis being of the Jinns. But clearly in 234 Allah gives an order to angels. All obey save Iblis. It is crystal clear. In fact it is so gross and clear that you refuse to see the evidence because it is so big it is ridiculous. If ever Iblis wasn't an angel because you can't be both angel and jinn, then Allah contradicts himself. Because he gives an order to angels, and all obey save Iblis. Or maybe Allah should learn to speak.
example I told the workers to come earlier and they all did except John. Conclusion John is a worker.
I am sorry man. We were fooled very hard by believing the qur'an was perfect and without errors. Can you understand that i am being rude? You are all posting non arguments, it doesn't mean this it is a metaphor all the times on all the topics as soon as there is a contradiction or a violent/unfair thing. The basis of qur'anism is what? hadith are false because they were transmitted orally and contradict the qur'an? Man ! the qur'an was transmitted orally and contradicts itself ! Now is time to be truthful. If you really are a believer in the creator. To the people saying i have an agenda. My agenda is truth.
Wait hold on. Where did you get that Quran is orally transmitted? Also where in the Quran does it say you can't be a Angel and a Jinn at the same time?
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@The sardar
in 533 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger, and seek to make corruption in the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from alternate sides or that they be banished from the land
do we have the choice between execution, crucifixion, exile or cutting (the actions)? or is it cutting the hand? the fact that you show a verse where hands is figurative, doesn't mean that it is always figurative in other verses. And cutting three or more actions doesn't make sense. It clearly means hands but you refuse to see it because if you were to be neutral on qur'an problems you risk hell and losing heaven. Do i have to repeat the obvious 98575 times before you see evidence? If you don't remove the hands from your eyes why i am typing arguments on my computer?Also check these discussions about 533
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604423.msg308789#msg308789
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601657.msg267275#msg267275
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Peace Ju5.
It seems you have your truth now.
My amicable advice to you is simply move on. Qoran is not for you since you are certain it has many contradictions.
You asked your questions, people here have given you their take on them. This has not helped and even made you abhor the answers.Good luck to you. Or stay if you have a different aim.
Questions for you to reflect on
1- You are capable of researching and finding the truth ,why are you assuming Iblis is a Malaika?
(For me it could also be that GOD has asked the Malaika and Iblis to do sujud as a demonstration to Malaika since they asked about Iblis and humans role on earth!) GOD did say to them"- I know what you do not know"-
2- Where does Qoran CLEARLY states Iblis is a Malaika?
Qoran clearly states Iblis is from Jinn.
GOD bless you.
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Wait hold on. Where did you get that Quran is orally transmitted? Also where in the Quran does it say you can't be a Angel and a Jinn at the same time?
The angel told muhammad the qur'an (supposedly). Muhammad recitated it and people memorized it; They compiled it on books. The one we have is the one uthman did'nt burn.1- You are capable of researching and finding the truth ,why are you assuming Iblis is a Malaika?
because the qur'an says so in 234 . I am going to write this again as you people have trouble actually reading my posts.
example I told the workers to come earlier and they all did except John. Conclusion John is a worker.
If you had poor education or if you have a brain problem, i can understand this, but please don't argue on a forum if you can't understand basic language. God didn't ask bob and jinns to sajada. he asked the Malaika to "sajada". They sajadaed except iblis . Why do you want more than that? Because it is a contradiction. And you believe that the qur'an is perfect and without error BEFORE challenging it. Which is an error, because you might as well believe in any other book.
(For me it could also be that GOD has asked the Malaika and Iblis to do sujud as a demonstration to Malaika since they asked about Iblis and humans role on earth!) GOD did say to them"- I know what you do not know"-
It is not written God asked the malaika and iblis. It is written that God asked to the malaika. Please don't start to invent more things as discussion will not be possible.
a demonstration to Malaika since they asked about Iblis and humans role on earth!
The verse speakers about a sucessor on earth. The malaika seems to not agree as they say he woudl spill blood. God proceed to shows thems that adam knows names and the malaika do not. So the successor appears to be adam or humans in general in this verse. It is in now way indicated that Iblis a successor; moreover the malaika are asked to sajada to adam/the successor, Iblis was of the ones to sajada to the successor but he refused. Would he "sajada" to himself? Doesn't make sense. This was not the subject, I just wanted to show you that you invent things in a desperate attent to save qur'anic divinity. If the qur'an was divine it would need no one to save itself. Unless it was a mysterious thing that only chosen ones could understand, but the qur'an citself claims to be a clear book to guide humanity.
Already discussed here
https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=8438.msg264426#msg264426Wakas, there is no explanation on this topic you linked. None. Iblis is a malaika because the verse says so. The malaika "sajada"ed EXCEPT IBLIS. What do you not understand? "It can't be true because that would be a contradiction." IT IS true and IT IS a contradiction.
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The angel told muhammad the qur'an (supposedly). Muhammad recitated it and people memorized it; They compiled it on books. The one we have is the one uthman did'nt burn.
Wait who is the angel you are talking about?
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Wakas, there is no explanation on this topic you linked. None. Iblis is a malaika because the verse says so. The malaika "sajada"ed EXCEPT IBLIS. What do you not understand? "It can't be true because that would be a contradiction." IT IS true and IT IS a contradiction.
Read the entire discussion so you may get the full picture.
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Also i found these 3 verses
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Walaqad khalaqnakum thumma sawwarnakumthumma qulna lilmala-ikati osjudoo li-adamafasajadoo illa ibleesa lam yakun mina alssajideena
And We created you, then We shaped you, then We said to the angels "Yield to Adam;" so they yielded except for Iblis, he was not of those who yielded.712
Qala ma manaAAaka allatasjuda ith amartuka qala ana khayrun minhukhalaqtanee min narin wakhalaqtahu min teenin
He said "What has prevented you from yielding when I have ordered you?" He said "I am far better than him, You created me from fire and created him from clay!"713
Qala faihbit minhafama yakoonu laka an tatakabbara feeha faokhrujinnaka mina alssaghireena
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Why no bear in mind the semantic value of the jinn, j-n-n, to conceal, protect, cover, veil...
Could it not be that that the word jinn, does not denote an essence, but rather an attribute or accessory trait?
What if a jinn can be any being which does not appear openly and lookign what it really is, but rather under a cover, what in politics or political opertions is called a mole. So, in fact, a jinn could be a person, a malak, an animal, a passion...
Salaam
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Why no bear in mind the semantic value of the jinn, j-n-n, to conceal, protect, cover, veil...
Could it not be that that the word jinn, does not denote an essence, but rather an attribute or accessory trait?
What if a jinn can be any being which does not appear openly and lookign what it really is, but rather under a cover, what in politics or political opertions is called a mole. So, in fact, a jinn could be a person, a malak, an animal, a passion...
Salaam
Here is the root word of Jinn
Jiim-Nun-Nun ( ن (root of jinn) = veiled/concealed/covered/hid/protected (e.g. cloth, armour, grave, shield), invisible, become dark/posessed, darkness of night, bereft of reason, mad/insane/unsound in mind/intellect, confusedness.
Become thick/full-grown/blossom, herbage, garden.
Spiritual beings that conceal themselves from the senses (including angels), become weak and abject, greater part of mankind, devil/demon, people who are peerless having no match or equal, a being who is highly potent, sometimes refers to Kings because they are concealed from the common folkjanna vb. (1)
perf. act. 676
pcple. act. 1527, 5515, 5539, 5556, 5574
pcple. pass. 156, 2627, 3736, 4414, 5139, 5152, 5229, 549, 682, 6851, 8122ajinnah n.m. (pl. of janin) 5332
jann n.m. 2710, 2831
jannah n.f. 225, 235, 282, 2111, 2214, 2221, 2265, 2266, 315, 3133, 3136, 3142, 3185, 3195, 3198, 413, 457, 4122, 4124, 512, 565, 572, 585, 5119, 699, 6141, 719, 722, 727, 740, 742, 743, 744, 746, 749, 750, 921, 972, 972, 989, 9100, 9111, 109, 1026, 1123, 11108, 134, 1323, 1335, 1423, 1545, 1631, 1632, 1791, 1831, 1832, 1833, 1835, 1839, 1840, 18107, 1960, 1961, 1963, 2076, 20117, 20121, 2214, 2223, 2256, 2319, 258, 2510, 2515, 2524, 2657, 2685, 2690, 26134, 26147, 2958, 318, 3219, 3415, 3416, 3416, 3533, 3626, 3634, 3655, 3743, 3850, 3973, 3974, 408, 4040, 4130, 427, 4222, 4370, 4372, 4425, 4452, 4614, 4616, 476, 4712, 4715, 485, 4817, 509, 5031, 5115, 5217, 5315, 5454, 5546, 5554, 5562, 5612, 5689, 5712, 5721, 5822, 5920, 5920, 6112, 6112, 649, 6511, 668, 6611, 6817, 6834, 6922, 7035, 7038, 7112, 7440, 7612, 7816, 7941, 8113, 8511, 8810, 8930, 988
jinn n.m. (coll) 6100, 6112, 6128, 6130, 738, 7179, 1788, 1850, 2717, 2739, 3412, 3414, 3441, 4125, 4129, 4618, 4629, 5156, 5533, 721, 725, 726
jinnah (1) n.f. 11119, 3213, 37158, 37158, 1146
jinnah (2) n.f. 7184, 2325, 2370, 348, 3446
junnah n.f. 5816, 632
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 2, page 98, 99, 100 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=JNN
And here is the root word of malak
Miim-Lam-Kaf ( ك = to rule/command/reign, be capable, to control, power/authority, king, kingdom.
Also see root Lam-Alif-Kaf
malaka vb. (1)
perf. act. 43, 424, 425, 436, 1671, 236, 2431, 2433, 2458, 2461, 3028, 3350, 3352, 3355, 7030
impf. act. 517, 525, 541, 576, 7188, 1031, 1049, 1316, 1673, 1756, 17100, 1987, 2089, 253, 253, 2723, 2917, 3422, 3442, 3513, 3943, 4386, 468, 4811, 604, 7221, 7837, 8219
n.vb. (1) malk 2087
n.vb. (2) mulk 2102, 2107, 2247, 2247, 2247, 2248, 2251, 2258, 326, 326, 326, 3189, 453, 454, 517, 518, 540, 5120, 673, 7158, 9116, 12101, 17111, 20120, 2256, 2442, 252, 252, 2526, 3513, 3810, 3820, 3835, 396, 3944, 4016, 4029, 4249, 4351, 4385, 4527, 4814, 572, 575, 641, 671, 7620, 859
pcple. act. 14, 326, 3671
pcple. pass. 1675malak n.m. 2102, 68, 68, 69, 650, 720, 1112, 1131, 1231, 1795, 257, 3211, 5326, 6917, 8922
malakut n.m. 675, 7185, 2388, 3683
malik n.m. (pl. muluk) 2246, 2247, 520, 1243, 1250, 1254, 1272, 1276, 1879, 20114, 23116, 2734, 5923, 621, 1142
malik n.m. 5455
malik n. prop. 4377
LL, V8, p 277 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=mlk
Red Lam-Alif-Kaf ( ك = To send, to send a message, to send anyone towards.
malak n.m (pl. malaikah), see also malak (Miim-Lam-Kaf)
230, 231, 234, 298, 2161, 2177, 2210, 2248, 2285, 318, 339, 342, 345, 380, 387, 3124, 3125, 497, 4136, 4166, 4172, 693, 6111, 6158, 711, 89, 812, 850, 1313, 1323, 157, 158, 1528, 1530, 162, 1628, 1632, 1633, 1649, 1740, 1761, 1792, 1795, 1850, 20116, 21103, 2275, 2324, 2521, 2522, 2525, 3343, 3356, 3440, 351, 37150, 3871, 3873, 3975, 4114, 4130, 425, 4319, 4353, 4360, 4727, 5327, 664, 666, 704, 7431, 7838, 974 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=lak
