Question for the people with knowledge
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You haven't answered my question, why did you left out that whole part i showed of Wakas article?
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Secondly how do you know the website of corpus.quran is the best linguistic website?
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Just being clear, not being rude of course.
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because the article was long, and because i was talking about plural of hands in the thieves and the lies/inventions around this, not about the baseless speculation(you can always speculate and invent things indefinitely), and anyway i answered to those because of you
the real question you should be wondering is why are you all dishonest when the subject is the qur'an? answer because you want to believe
i don't know if its the best website, but it sure does his job referencing the occurences of words in the qur'an
now, as i wage war against the qur'an are you going to cut my feet/hands opposed or crucify me like a good muslim? or will you disobey allah and twist his command?
since noone has correct answsers for my accusations, i will add even more
1 3953 Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves , do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins
448 Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills
One could say he forgives shirk once you repent. But isn't that true of all sins? then why bother saying that allah does not forgive shirk/association?2 5822 You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred.
3115(about parents) But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them but accompany them in world with appropriate kindness3 4116 Aad is destroyed in days of misfortune
5419 Aad is destroyed in a day of misfortune
697 Aad is destroyed in seven nights and eight days of misfortune4 7120 Firaun wizards believe in musa
1080 None believed Musa save the offspring among his people5 The qur'an is not clear, proof=the existence of all these discussion on this forum.
6 God gave the Gospel To Jesus which doesn't make sense. You can argue all day long about it, it is the most probable meaning injil=good news, the kitab word=book. Christians can find the name of Muhammad in it(qur'an says so). You say it doesn't make sense on the false premise that the qur'an is perfect and true.
7 Israel means "who wrestled with god" as jacob fought him, see the bible story. He called the place "the face of god" because he saw him. And God renamed him Israel. "Who wrestled with god". Unqur'anic to say the least, but still mentioned as Israel.
8 1649 And to God prostrate all those in the heavens and all those on the earth, from the creatures and the angels, and they are not arrogant.
1650 They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are commanded.234 And when We said to the angels, "Prostrate before Adam"; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.
Note if you say iblis is a jinn not an angel, learn grammar. Allah gives an orders to angels and all obey save Iblis. Nothing more, nothing less.God may very well exist regardless of religions or not.
Maybe there was a perfect qur'an. Maybe there wasn't. One thing is sure, our qur'an is not.Last hint of this post, if you think the qur'an can not contradict itself. then it will never contradict itself. Because of you. It is all in your mind.
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because the article was long, and because i was talking about plural of hands in the thieves and the lies/inventions around this, not about the baseless speculation(you can always speculate and invent things indefinitely), and anyway i answered to those because of you
the real question you should be wondering is why are you all dishonest when the subject is the qur'an? answer because you want to believe
i don't know if its the best website, but it sure does his job referencing the occurences of words in the qur'an
Wait what how am i dishonest? I was just asking question. Secondly the reason no one has corrected you yet is because they are not here right now. Wait for a bit so they can come back.
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By the way here is the root word of yad if anyone needs to know
Ya-Dal-Ya ( ي = to touch, aid, do good, be beneficent, show power and superiority, a hand. By his agency/means.
With a willing hand, out of hand, having financial ability.
In acknowledgement of the superior power, in ready money and not in the form of deferred payment, considering it as a favour, on account of help, (payment should be made by the hand of the parties themselves without the intervention of a third party and without reluctance.
baina yadaihi - before him, in his presence hit, between his two hands.
ulill aidi - men of power (lit. gifted with hands)
suqaita fi aidihim (idiomatic expression) they repented, the idea seems to be that they hit their fingers in grief and contrition.
Handy, Might, Power, Superiority, Benefit, Possession, Favour, Generosity. The idea behind those expressions is that the use of the hand is the real source of the superiority and power. Under his authority, upper hand, arm, foreleg of a beast, handle of a tool, wing of a bird.
ma qaddamat yada - that is what thou hast deserved.yad n.f. (dual yadan, plural aydi) 266, 279, 279, 295, 297, 2195, 2237, 2249, 2255, 33, 326, 350, 373, 3182, 443, 462, 477, 491, 56, 511, 511, 528, 528, 533, 538, 546, 546, 548, 564, 564, 564, 594, 67, 692, 693, 717, 757, 7108, 7124, 7149, 7195, 851, 870, 914, 929, 952, 967, 1037, 1170, 1231, 1250, 12111, 1311, 149, 1729, 1857, 1964, 2022, 2071, 20110, 2128, 2210, 2276, 2388, 2424, 2440, 2527, 2548, 2633, 2649, 2712, 2763, 2832, 2847, 3036, 3041, 349, 3412, 3431, 3446, 3531, 369, 3635, 3645, 3665, 3671, 3683, 3844, 3875, 4114, 4125, 4142, 4230, 4248, 4621, 4630, 4810, 4810, 4820, 4824, 4824, 491, 5712, 5729, 5812, 5813, 592, 592, 602, 6012, 616, 627, 668, 671, 7227, 7840, 8015, 1111
Lane's Lexicon, Volume 8, page 317 (Ya-Dal) ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=ydy
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I don't care about your roots. you dont cut three or more powers nor financial means. You cut three more more hands from two people. And you also cut their feet or crucify them 5 verses earlier (533). Except if they repent before you overpower them of course. I wrote something to say sorry because you were not dishonest in the thread. Then i saw your ,last post, i deleted what i wrote and I wont apologize anymore. You may act nice by saying "oh i was just showing the roots". But you goal is clearly to try to fool yourself and others by saying it doesn't mean hands.
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I don't care about your roots. you dont cut three or more powers nor financial means. You cut three more more hands from two people. And you also cut their feet or crucify them 5 verses earlier (533). Except if they repent before you overpower them of course. I wrote something to say sorry because you were not dishonest in the thread. Then i saw your ,last post, i deleted what i wrote and I wont apologize anymore. You may act nice by saying "oh i was just showing the roots". But you goal is clearly to try to fool yourself and others by saying it doesn't mean hands.
Wait what is this now i am getting accused of fooling myself and others now? And secondly 533 talks about not only those attacks Allah & His messenger, it also talks about those who corrupt the land (feeal-ardi fasadan = ا
Fa-Sin-Dal = to become evil/corrupted, invalid, decomposed, bad/spoiled/tainted, wrong, vicious, make mischief or foul deal. fasad - corruption/violence.
fasada vb. (1)
perf. act. 2251, 2122, 2371fasad n.m. 2205, 532, 533, 564, 873, 11116, 2877, 2883, 3041, 4026, 8912
afsada vb. (4)
perf. act. 2734
impf. act. 211, 227, 230, 2205, 756, 785, 7127, 1273, 1325, 1688, 174, 26152, 2748, 4722
pcple. act. 212, 260, 2220, 363, 564, 774, 786, 7103, 7142, 1040, 1081, 1091, 1185, 1894, 26183, 2714, 284, 2877, 2930, 2936, 3828LL, V6, p 180, 181 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=fsd
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Also in the arabic text of 533 the word yuqattaloo (ا is in verb third person masculine plural imperfect verb mood SUBJ form II passive. Even Corpus Quran confirms it. (The website you use)
Corpus Quran
(53312)
yuqattal
they be killedV ? 3rd person masculine plural (form II) passive imperfect verb, subjunctive mood
PRON ? subject pronounhttp//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=14228
Now i am in no way an expert of arabic language but does it not mean that passive form means more like a statement?
If anyone of who has great knowlegde of Arabic please correct or confirm this.
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And lastly i only showed the root word because incase if someone is wondering what the meanings of that arabic word. Not being a dishonest criminal at all. So please don't accuse me like i am some evil spy or something. Not being rude.
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Now i am in no way an expert of arabic language but does it not mean that passive form means more like a statement?
If anyone of who has great knowlegde of Arabic please correct or confirm this.
It's not a matter of arabic but of most if not all languages. Passive means the subject does not accomplish the action.
The muslim crucify the infidels = active
The infidels are crucified by the muslim= passivehere it is passive because the muslims are supposed to inflict those things on the infidels (who are the subjects="they be killed", it is they who wage war against allah and spread corruption by not paying jizyah or whatever crime they commited, that is, except if they repent before muslim overpower them
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It's not a matter of arabic but of most if not all languages. Passive means the subject does not accomplish the action.
The muslim crucify the infidels = active
The infidels are crucified by the muslim= passivehere it is passive because the muslims are supposed to inflict those things on the infidels (who are the subjects="they be killed", it is they who wage war against allah and spread corruption by not paying jizyah or whatever crime they commited, that is, except if they repent before muslim overpower them
Jizyah is not Tax,
Jiim-Zay-Ya ( ي = Pay/give/render a satisfaction, make sufficient, pay a debt, to contend, repay/requit/compensate, to recompense.
In fact a long time ago i made this
Salamun Alaykum Brothers & sisters of mankind. group
Im little bit suprised no one show the verses before and after 929
Here are the verses
91 A revocation is made by God and His messenger to those with whom you have made a pledge from among the polytheists.
92 Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God will humiliate the rejecters.
93 A declaration from God and His messenger to the people, on this, the peak day of the Pilgrimage "That God and His messenger are free from obligation to those who set up partners." If you repent, then it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you will not escape God. Promise those who have rejected of a painful retribution
Note from Edip Yuksel in this verse The verse 95 does not encourage muslims to attack those who associate partners to God, but to attack those who have violated the peace treaty and killed and terrorized people because of their belief and way of life.
According to verses 95 and 911, the aggressive party has two ways to stop the war reinstate the treaty for peace (silm), which is limited in scope; or accept the system of peace and submission to God (islam), which is comprehensive in scope; it includes observation of sala and purification through sharing one's blessings. These two verses refer to the second alternative. When, accepting islam (system of peace and submission) as the second equally acceptable alternative and when the first alternative involves only making a temporary peace, then none can argue for coercion in promoting the Din.
The Quran does not promote war, but encourages us to stand against aggressors on the side of peace and justice. War is permitted only in self-defense (See 2190; 491; 532; 819; 607). We are encouraged to work hard to establish peace (4735; 856; 220. The Quranic precept promoting peace and justice is so fundamental that a peace treaty with the enemy is preferred to religious ties (872).
Please note that the context of the verse is about the War of Hunain, which was provoked by the enemy. The verse 929 is mistranslated by almost every translator.
Furthermore, note that we suggest "reparation," which is the legal word for compensation for damages done by the aggressing party during the war, instead of the Arabic word jizya. The meaning of jizya has been distorted as a perpetual tax on non-Muslims, which was invented long after Muhammed to further the imperialistic agenda of Sultans or Kings. The origin of the word that we translated as Compensation is JaZaYa, which simply means compensation, not tax. Because of their aggression and initiation of a war against muslims and their allies, after the war, the allied community should require their enemies to compensate for the damage they inflicted on the peaceful community. Various derivatives of this word are used in the Quran frequently, and they are translated as "compensation" for a particular deed.
Unfortunately, the distortion in the meaning of the verse above and the practice of collecting a special tax from Christians and Jews, contradicts the basic principle of the Quran that there should not be compulsion in religion and that there should be freedom of belief and expression (2256; 490; 4137, 140; 1099; 1829; 8821). Since taxation based on religion creates financial duress on people to convert to the privileged religion, it violates this important Quranic principle. Dividing a population that is united under a social contract (constitution) into privileged groups based on their religion contradicts many principles of the Quran, including justice, peace, and brotherhood/sisterhood of all humanity. See 2256. For a comparative discussion of this verse, see the Sample Comparisons section in the Introduction.
Moral rules involving retaliation can be classified under several titles
The Golden Rule Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The Silver Rule Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
The Golden-plated Brazen Rule Do unto others as they do unto you; and occasionally forgive them.
The Brazen Rule Do unto others as they do unto you.
The Iron Rule Do unto others as you like, before they do it unto you.
Empirical studies on groups have shown that the golden-plated brazen rule is the most efficient in reducing negative behaviors in a community abiding by the rule, since the rule has both deterrence and guiding components. Game theorists call this rule "Generous Tit-For-Tat" (GTFT), a rule that leads one party to cooperate as long as the other party does too. If the other party cheats or hurts the party adopting GTFT, then the GTFT-adopting party stops cooperation and retaliates, while demonstrating willingness to forgive the wrongdoing and start a new stage of cooperation. This positive tilt successfully leads the other party to seek cooperation of the GTF party and ultimately adopt the same rule of engagement. The Golden rule, on the other hand, does not correspond to the reality of human nature; it rewards those who wish to take advantage of the other party's niceness. Therefore, though the golden rule is the most popular rule on the lips of people, it is the least used rule in world affairs. It might have some merits in small groups with intimate relations, but we do not have evidence for that.
The Quran is a book of reality, and its instructions involving social issues consider the side effects of freedom. Thus, the Quran recommends us to employ the golden-plated brazen rule. "If the enemy inclines toward peace, do you also incline toward peace" (861; 490; 4134). Other verses encouraging forgiveness and patience in the practice of retaliation (2178; 16126, etc.), make the Quranic rule a "Golden-plated Brazen Rule," the most efficient rule in promoting goodness and discouraging crimes.
Sunni and Shiite mushriks inherited many vicious laws and instructions of violence through hadith books, most of which scholars trace their roots to the influence of Jewish Rabbis and Christian priests who supposedly converted to Islam. Here are some samples of terrifying and bloody instructions found in The Old Testament. We recommend the reader to study them in their context
"The Lord said to Moses 'Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. Say to the Israelites If anyone curses his God, he will be held responsible; anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. Whether an alien or native-born, when he blasphemes the Name, he must be put to death.... Then Moses spoke to the Israelites, and they took the blasphemer outside the camp and stoned him. The Israelites did as the Lord commanded Moses" (Leviticus 2413-16 ).
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man. But save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man" (Numbers 3118 ).
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword" (Joshua 621).
"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass" (1 Samuel 153).
"And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him, and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand" (1 Samuel 1757).
"Thus the Jews smote all their enemies with the stroke of the sword, and slaughter, and destruction, and did what they would unto those that hated them" (Esther 95 ).
"Why do the wicked prosper and the treacherous all live at ease?... But you know me, Lord, you see me; you test my devotion to you. Drag them away like sheep to the shambles; set them apart for the day of slaughter" (Jeremiah 121-3 ).
"A curse on all who are slack in doing the Lord's work! A curse on all who withhold their swords from bloodshed!" (Jeremiah 4810 ).
Chapter 20 of Leviticus contains a list of very severe punishments for various sins. For instance, cursing one's own father or mother would prompt the death penalty. A man marrying a woman together with her daughter must be burned in the fire. Homosexual men must be put to death. Those who commit bestiality must be put to death together with the animals. And many more deaths, and burning penalties.
94 Except for those with whom you had made a pledge from among the polytheists if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they support anyone against you; you shall continue the pledge with them until its expiry. God loves the righteous.
(Shabbir Ahmed Quran As It Explains Itself) 95 When the four Sacred Months are over, subdue them wherever they come from. Take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them ambush. But if they repent from aggression, and help in the consolidation of the Divine System and in setting up the Economic Order of Zakaat, then leave their way free. Surely, God is Forgiving Merciful (so shall you be).
Note from Shabbir Ahmed This verse applies to idolaters who were committing aggression instead of becoming law abiding citizens or emigrating. The four Sacred Months forbidden for any warfare From the 12th month, Zil-Hajjahup to the 3rd month,Rabi'ul Awwal2193-195, 936. Some critics of Islam call this verse as the ?Verse of Sword? presenting it out of context. Also, they present it as applicable for all times while it refers only to the aggressors against the Prophet and his companions in Makkah. See 91
96 And if any of the polytheists seeks your protection, then you may protect him so that he may hear the words of God, then let him reach his sanctity. This is because they are a people who do not know.
97 How can the polytheists have a pledge with God and with His messenger? Except for those with whom you made a pledge near the Restricted Temple, as long as they are upright with you, then you are upright with them. God loves the righteous.
98 How is it that if they ever defeated you they would neither respect neither any rights of kinship nor any pledge. They seek to please you with their words, but their hearts deny, and most of them are wicked.
Note from Dr Shabbir Ahmed Faasiqeen = Those who drift away
99 They purchased with the revelations of God a cheap price, so they repel others from His path. Evil indeed is what they used to do.
Again note from Dr Shabbir Ahmed This trade, frequently mentioned in the Qur?an, indicates Fulfilling selfish desires for instant gains at the cost of disregarding Permanent Moral Values
910 They neither respect the ties of kinship nor a pledge for any those who acknowledge. These are the transgressors.
911 If they mend their ways, (and as law-abiding citizens), help consolidate the Divine System, and the Economic Order of Zakaat, then they are your brothers in the System of Life. We explain Our messages for those who wish to learn.
Dr Shabbir Ahmed The usual translation of this verse conveys the meaning that if they start praying five times a day and give 2.5% poor-due per year, then they are your brothers in religion. This interpretation goes directly against the all-encompassing Ordinance of God that there is no compulsion or coercion in Deen Islam. 2256
912 If they keep breaking their pledges after their treaty, and assail your System, then fight the chiefs of the disbelievers. They have no respect for their binding oaths. This action will help restrain them from aggression.
913 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths, and obsessed to expel the messenger, especially while they were the ones who attacked you first? Are you concerned about them? It is God who is more deserving that you be concerned with if you are believers.
914 Fight them; perhaps God will punish them by your hands, humiliate them, grant you victory over them and heal the chests of an acknowledging people
915 And to remove the anger from their hearts; God pardons whom he pleases. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
916 Or did you think that you would be left alone? God will come to distinguish those of you who strived and did not take other than God and His messenger and the believers as helpers. God is Expert in what you do.
917 Those who associate others with God, (whether idols, dead saints, religious or temporal leaders), shall not administer God?s Masjids, the Centers of the Divine System ? while they witness against their own ?self? - denial of truth. All their works are in vain and they will abide in the fire.
Dr Shabbir Ahmed 9107, 3031, 7218. Pilgrimage of the House is a duty unto all mankind, not Muslims alone. 397
918 Only those people are fit to administer or maintain the Masjids (the Centers of the Divine Order), who have unwavering belief in God and the Last Day. They strive to establish the Divine System, and to set up the Just Economic Order of Zakaat and stand in awe of none but God. They are the ones who are rightly guided.
Dr Shabbir Ahmed Ya?mur = Maintains or administers. Yousuf Ali, Pickthall and Muhammad Asad correctly translate the word as maintaining or tending.
919 Have you made serving drink to the pilgrims and the maintenance of the Restricted Temple the same as one who acknowledges God and the Last day, who strives in the cause of God? They are not the same with God. God does not guide the wicked people.
920 Those who attained belief, and left the domain of evil, and strove in the cause of God with their wealth and their lives, have a much greater rank with God. They are the ones who are truly triumphant.
921 Their Lord gives them good news of a mercy from Him, and acceptance, and gardens that are for them in which there is permanent bliss.
922 Abiding therein eternally. With God there is a great reward.
923 O you who acknowledge, do not take your fathers nor brothers as allies if they prefer rejection to acknowledgement. Whoever of you takes them as such, then these are the wicked.
924 Say, "If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your spouses, your clan, and money which you have gathered, a trade in which you fear a decline, and homes which you enjoy; if these are dearer to you than God and His messenger and striving in His cause, then wait until God brings His decision. God does not guide the wicked people.
Note from Edip Yuksel Most of the world's organized religious institutions collect money from their people. Most of that money is wasted through promotion of lies and ridiculous beliefs. In 2007, the approximately nineteen thousands of Catholic parishes raised about 6 billion dollars. Every year, millions of dollars, a great
percentage of that money, is stolen by thief priests. See 5727; 371; 4161; 924; 242; 2188.925 God has granted you victory in many battle-fields. And on the Day of Hunain, when you marveled at your great numbers, they did not avail you in the least. The earth, despite all its vastness, became constrained for you and you turned back, retreating.
926 Then God sent His reassuring peace upon His Messenger and upon the believers, and sent down armies you could not see, and punished the rejecters. Such is the reward of the deniers of the truth.
Note from Shabbir Ahmed The Messenger led them from chaos back to discipline, and boosted their morale. That was the army unseen. 3125, 810, 940, 4130, 484
927 Then God will accept the repentance of whom He pleases after that. God is Forgiving, Compassionate.
928 O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! The idolaters are polluted (with false beliefs) and so they shall not approach the Sacred Masjid from this year onward. If you fear poverty, then in time God will enrich you with His bounty according to His laws. Certainly, God is Knower, Wise.
Shabbir Ahmed See 918 for administration of the Masjid. Also, note that God invites all mankind, not Muslims alone, to the Pilgrimage of the Sacred House. 397, 2227
929 Fight those who do not acknowledge God nor the Last day among the people who received the book; they do not forbid what God and His messenger have forbidden, and they do not uphold the system of truth; until they pay the reparation, in humility.
930 The Jews said, "Ezra is God's son," and the Nazarenes said, "The Messiah is God's son." Such is their utterances with their mouths; they imitate the sayings of those who rejected before them. God's curse be on them. How deviated are their minds!
Note from Edip Yuksel The system of islam belongs to God alone (985). Accepting the fatwas of this or that cleric as islam is setting up partners with God. See 4221. Also, see 259; 279; 541.
And Shabbir Ahmed Many Jews in the Arabian Peninsula used to believe that Osiris, the Egyptian idol, was God?s Son while others thought of Ezra, who restored the Torah after it had been lost in the Babylonian Exile, as God?s Son. Uzayr applies to Ezra as well as Osiris. See 2088
931 They take their rabbis, priests and monks to be their Lords besides God. And they take as their Lord, the Messiah son of Mary. Yet they were commanded to worship but One God. There is no god but He. Glorified is He from all that they ascribe to Him as partners.
Dr Shabbir Ahmed Talmud shows the Jewish superstition of ascribing divinity to Ezra, rabbis, saints, doctors of law and learned men. And the doctrine of Papal infallibility, divinity of saints and praying to them are common in the Roman Catholic Church.
932 They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses such and lets His light continue, even if the rejecters hate it.
933 He is the One who sent His messenger with guidance and the system of truth, to make it manifest above all other systems, even if those who set up partners hate it.
Edip Yuksel Islam, which has been subjected to a terrible deformation and transformation process for centuries, has long ceased being islam (peacefully surrendering in and with peace), but rather became a man-made doctrine attributed to scholars, such as Shafii, Hanbali, Maliki, Hanafi, Jafari, Vahhabi, Naqshi, Qadiri, Alawi, Muhammedi, etc. By God's will, the fulfillment of the great prophecy (741) and the unfolding global events are signs that God has started a new era in which Islam will again provide humanity with a chance to reform their minds, their actions, and their world. See Chapter 110.
And Shabbir Ahmed 53, 931, 1331, 1448, 1848, 4153, 4828, 5120, 618. The Qur?anic Deen will prevail over all religions. This refers to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Zoroastrianism and all other forms of ?Isms? and religion, including the sects that are now present in the name of Islam. Please remember that no sect can be considered Islamic. DEEN in the Sight of God is nothing but Al-Islam 53. But next to religions, the Qur?anic System of Life will also dominate and prevail over all manmade political and social systems such as Communism, Atheism, Secularism, Secular Democracy, Despotism, Theocracy, Monarchy, all ?isms? such as ?Humanism? Socialism, Idol worship in any form, Sufism and Capitalism. This will happen as humanity, after the centuries old, protracted toil of trial and error will come to intellectually realize, and accept the Supremacy of the Final Testament, Al-Qur?an.
934 O you who acknowledge, many of the scholars and priests consume people's money in falsehood, and they turn away from the path of God. Those who hoard gold and silver, and do not spend it in the cause of God, give them news of a painful retribution.
Note from Shabbir Ahmed Ahbaar = Clergy of any religion. Ruhbaan = Monks, Yogis and Sufis
935 On the Day when they will be seared in the fires of Hell, and their foreheads and sides and backs will be branded with it "This is what you have hoarded for yourselves, so taste what you have hoarded!"
936 The count of the months with God is twelve months in God's book the day He created the heavens and the earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them. Fight those who set up partners collectively as they fight you collectively. Know that God is with the righteous.
Note from Edip Yuksel Verse 936 relates the number of months to the day of the creation of the earth. Perhaps in early days of the creation, the rotation of the Moon and Earth were synchronized and there were exactly 12 lunar months in a solar year. The increase in the length of the year or the decelerating earth is causing problems for modern technology which is very sensitive to small changes in the measurement of time, such as computers, electric grids, GPS systems, and missiles. In mid 20th century, scientists learned that the rotation of Earth was not sufficiently uniform as a standard of time. Besides solar gravity, there are many factors influencing the rotation of the earth. For instance, though in minor way, the Moon's gravity through tides causes deceleration, and melting of ice in the North Pole causes little acceleration. To compensate this net deceleration, almost every year we are adding one second to our atomic clocks, which defines and measures a second as 9,192,631,770 electromagnetic radiation or oscillation of Cesium 133. Since 1972 we added 23 leap seconds until 2006. However, the rate of the deceleration does not show a pattern. In recent years, the earth's rotation has been on schedule. See. 9122
And Shabbir Ahmed Mankind, through international treaties, must agree to shun all kind of warfare during these four months. This will give them a cooling off period that sense may prevail over emotions. Four Sacred Months for peacetime 2194, 91. From the 12th lunar month of Pilgrimage to the third month
937 Know that accelerating the intercalary is an addition in rejection; that those who have rejected may misguide with it. They make it lawful one calendar year, and they forbid it one calendar year, so as to circumvent the count that God has made restricted; thus they make lawful what God made forbidden! Their evil works have been adorned for them, and God does not guide the rejecting people.
Note from Edip Yuksel Today's Sunni and Shiite mushriks consider Rajab, Zul-Qada, Zul-Hijja, and Muharram to be the Restricted Months (the 7th, 11th, 12th, and 1st months of lunar calendar). However, when we study 2197; 92 and the names of known months, we will discover that real Restricted Months must be four consecutive months and they are Zul-Hijja, Muharram, Safar, Rabi ul-Awal (12th, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd months). The very name of the 12th month, Zul-Hijja (Contains Haj), gives us a clue that it is the first month of haj pilgrimage. When we start from the 12th month, the last of the Restricted Months becomes the 3rd month, Rabi ul-Awal (First Fourth), and the very name of this month also is revealing; it suggests that it is the fourth month of the Restricted Months. Then, why the qualification "First"? Well, the name of the following month provides an explanation Rabi ul-Akhir (Second Fourth), which is the fourth month from the beginning of the year. In other words we have two months called "Fourth," the first one referring to the fourth restricted moth, with the second fourth referring to the fourth month of the lunar year. The word rabi (fourth) is used for seasons because each season is one fourth of a year. It is interesting that many of the crimes and distortions mentioned in the Quran have been committed by those who have abandoned the Quran for the sake of hadith and sunna; they repeated the same blunder of their polytheist ancestors.
938 O you who acknowledge, what is wrong with you when you are told "March forth in the cause of God," you become heavy on earth. Have you become content with this worldly life over the Hereafter? The enjoyment of this worldly life compared to the Hereafter is nothing.
939 If you did not go forth in God?s cause, He (His law) will afflict you with a painful doom. He will replace you with another nation. You cannot harm Him in the least. All things transpire according to the laws appointed by God.
Note from Shabbir Ahmed Only the competent nations live honorably on earth. 21105, 2455
940 If you do not help the Messenger, God will help him, as always. When the disbelievers drove him out of his home, they were just two men. They had to seek refuge in a cave. The Messenger said to his companion, ?Grieve not. God is with us.? Then God sent His reassuring peace upon him, and supported him with invisible forces of faith and courage (926). He made the word of the disbelievers utterly low. God?s Word remains Supreme. God is Mighty, Wise.
And you can keep reading rest of Sura 9, i copied and pasted from http//quranix.org/9#1
Hope this have helped you. May the Lord of the Worlds (SWT) guide & bless you & your family. group peace
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It's not a matter of arabic but of most if not all languages. Passive means the subject does not accomplish the action.
The muslim crucify the infidels = active
The infidels are crucified by the muslim= passivehere it is passive because the muslims are supposed to inflict those things on the infidels (who are the subjects="they be killed", it is they who wage war against allah and spread corruption by not paying jizyah or whatever crime they commited, that is, except if they repent before muslim overpower them
No it says spreading corruption in the land, not paying the jizyah. Have you also check the verse before?
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Min ajli thalika katabna AAalabanee isra-eela annahu man qatala nafsan bighayri nafsinaw fasadin fee al-ardi fakaannama qatala alnnasajameeAAan waman ahyaha fakaannama ahyaalnnasa jameeAAan walaqad jaat-hum rusulunabialbayyinati thumma inna katheeran minhum baAAda thalikafee al-ardi lamusrifoonaIt is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel "Anyone who kills a person for other than murder, or corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people." Our messengers had come to them with clarities, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the earth.
It's very important that to have context when you are researching Al-Quran otherwise you sadly will get confused.
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Right i am heading to bed since it's getting late so no replies from for a while. I will let others discuss this.
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the jizyah comment i made was a free attack with nothing to do with the verse, just a reference to muslims fighting others until they pay jyziah
the conditions are spreading corruption and waging war against allah, which in themsevles are very vague terms
basically if you refuse these divine laws because you don't want your children to get their hands cut because they stole candies the muslim will crucify you unless you repent before they overpower you hail in this verse, to repent meaning to surrender in real life language
its too bad because most of the positive laws are good, but at which price do they come.. and on top of a terrible lie
as for your theory about jyziah, i have more than enough of reading baseless half assed theories from nowhere from quranists who dont know classical arabic yet pretend to reinvent the wheel, you read articles on the internet=very nice, i dont care as the qur'an is contradictory.
so heres an half assed answer probably more sound than all your crap articles united
call it tax, tribute or compensation if you want it is a payment for their protection like the mafiosos in the movies, if you dont pay they break your face, if you pay, they protect you from themselves, and maybe others, see the verse for yourself it just says fight those who not believe until they pay and subdue. overone could think islam saved the arab world from depravation..; but when you think of the christians who got slaugthered near them.. they had very similar morals and died for a freaking son/not son of god story... how sad and they still get slaughtered today as well as everyone who is not muslim; maybe instead of speculating about the fasting month of a contradictory book which does not even indicate when is this fasting month, you should try to heal the world and prevent all the suffering caused by the people who do no twist the words as much as you do...
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TO FINISH about the hands of thieves problem, here is the proof that you are either a bunch of liars or naive people believing every quranic article theyr read
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=5&verse=38#(5384)
aydiyahum
the pronoun is DUAL, the noun is PLURAL, it means the hands of TWO people, and since usually two people have four hands, the noun is PLURAL
is this too far from reality for you huruf?
So you mean thief has to be in a pair so that more than two hands are cut. Also there will be no cutting of their hands for next offence as no more hands left to cut.
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Peace Ju5 or is it jew5?
I find you intelligent, but trollish
Thanks for the tip!
The Quran exposes who we are! (mirror effect)
peace
why trollish? are you of the speculators to claim that iblis was not an angel? that the qur'an is not contradictory? why should i not get hostile towards a book that speaks about eternal hell and turn the minds upside down? we should try to advance with truth and not with the threat of the lash, instead losing time about religious futilities like the pilgrimage date or location. One side religious extremists , other side nihilists atheists consuming pleasure until death..; but it is the 21th century, theres other people not from these two sides, and there is probably a righteous fair middle.
Do not thank me for the tip. It is your contradictory qur'an that taught you i am worse than a cockroach. Rather be grateful to the guys who wrote the qur'an. -
@Novice Cut the bull feces. If ever people who lost their hands manage to find someone who feeds them and manage to survive, you would rarely see people without hand stealing things. Maybe trying to crunch an apple and holding it with the jaw while running...It speaks about two thieves because the verse begins by "as for the male thief and the female thief"..It is just a general statement about the equality of treatment between sexes...which does not happen all the time in the qur'an
the jew5 comment does not surprise me. Many muslims have something against jews. They all feel palestinians for some reason. Like those were good men dieing in martyr.. But its mostly among sunnites, so it is a wierd comment from someone on freeminds forum. -
why trollish? are you of the speculators to claim that iblis was not an angel? that the qur'an is not contradictory? why should i not get hostile towards a book that speaks about eternal hell and turn the minds upside down? we should try to advance with truth and not with the threat of the lash, instead losing time about religious futilities like the pilgrimage date or location. One side religious extremists , other side nihilists atheists consuming pleasure until death..; but it is the 21th century, theres other people not from these two sides, and there is probably a righteous fair middle.
Do not thank me for the tip. It is your contradictory qur'an that taught you i am worse than a cockroach. Rather be grateful to the guys who wrote the qur'an.Peace Ju5 or is it jew5?
The Quran or the word of Allah is not contradictory, only humans misunderstand,
mistranslate, have a bias, or have an agenda. I believe it is true what you say that
there is a righteous fair middle.peace
