Questions/Comments on the Quran

Very, very good point you made Huruf. bravo I would bet that the word 'kafir' is the most abused word in the quran. The word kafir is NOT a disbeliever. It is someone who believes/knows (better) but his actions are evil. Perhaps the word 'kafir' needs reinterpretation. I also highly disagree with some quranists who have been trapped by their sectarian past, and hence replace 'kafir' with a person who does not believe in quran. You dont HAVE to believe in the quran in order to be a 'muslim' (believer). It is your actions and consciousness which makes you a muslim, hence we have muslims everywhere. And kafirs everywhere(people who do evil when they know its wrong). Dr Asrulislam gives an interesting interpretation of the word Kafir. He says Kafir is someone who is in denial.

548 And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it. So judge between them by what God has sent down, and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth. For each of you We have made laws, and a structure; and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation, but He tests you with what He has given you; so strive to do good. To God you will return all of you, and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute. Salaam, Please take a look at 543 The above highlight is from me, that part shows that Allah's judgement are not different in His Books. And I don't find Mohammed or Prophet in the aayaats quoted May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path pr mmKhan

Great article youssef, keep it up

group 538, "The male thief, and the female thief, you shall "eqta?u" (in Arabic) their "aydiyahuma" as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as a deterrent from GOD. GOD is Almighty, Wise." http//www.universalunity.net/Punishment_For_Theft.htm If the quran wanted THE hand to be cut off it would say "cut off one the hands" as in another verse it says "cut off the hands and feet on opposite sides". So we must conclude that it means an alternative explanation NECESSARILY. Peace O you who believe, equivalence is the law decreed for you when dealing with murder - the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the female for the female. If one is pardoned by the victim's kin, an appreciative response is in order, and an equitable compensation shall be paid. This is an alleviation from your Lord and mercy. Anyone who transgresses beyond this incurs a painful retribution. 005.045 YUSUFALI We ordained therein for them "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. 16.126. And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out But if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient 2.194. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality(Qisas). If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves. So for someone who is to be amputated his crime of theft should be a equivalent to the value of a loss of a hand. Thats quite a value. Every human being I know values his hand very highly. He would rather lose his home than his hand. So amputation can not be correct. And eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth and a soul for a soul. A hand for a hand also or any equivalent value or retribution instead. For murder we are given a soul for a soul as the highest ceiling and then exile from the community as the lowest ceiling. Amputation is allowed for murder if we do not want to execute (Cain and Abel story in the Koran). We are to fight those who fight against us but not to transgress. Forgiveness is always allowed except for murder where exile from the community is the lwoest ceiling. We are always to judge by qist and adl, justice and equity. No excesses allowed. We are also to Wa la taziru waziratun wizra ukhra? (Nor can a bearer of burdens bear another's burden), Tribal justice is not allowed where retalitaion is done againt anyone for the tribe to which the criminal comes from. Eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, man for man, women for woman and slave for slave apples for apples, oranges for oranges and grapes for grapes. We must not mix apples with oranges or eye for an eyelash and a tooth for a jaw. The Koran uses these terms to indicate euqity and proportionality when it comes to justice. 55.9. So establish weight with justice and fall not short in the balance Here it says we should establish qist when it comes to weight(wazn) and not lose the scale(mizan). That is why justice is symbolized by a scale. http//www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=symbol%20justice&gbv=2&rlz=1R2ADSA_enAE448&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1109l5328l0l5609l16l13l0l0l0l0l406l2437l2-8.0.1l9l0&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

Peace, 1764 "And entice whoever you can of them with your voice, and mobilize all your forces and men against them, and you may share with them in their money and children, and promise them." But the devil promises nothing but deceit. When I said that Satan lives inside each one of us, I wasn't expecting some to believe that it meant to be taken literally. My main point is that since the reality of us Humans isn't physical, the part that originated from God is eternal and this is similar to the concept of Satan, he is not a physical entity. And the whisper that God tells us about in the Quran actually happens in our head.. When I talked about thinking I also didn't mean all thoughts or the idea of thoughts.. But just for a second think about it, how can someone acts in an evil way if he didn't have evil thoughts to begin with? This is the reason why we are supposed to always be in contact with God through remembrance. 4336 And whoever turns away from the remembrance of the Almighty, We appoint a devil to be his associate. Finally I would like to send a special message of love for a misguided "word stalker" Mentioning Quran Verse isn't in itself a proof, this is the same method used by "Bukhrist".. The Quran is still misunderstood and mistranslated and anyone can use its verses to his own advantage. So I just hope that there's a room for debate even without using the Quran, and please without naming you .. you know who you are...your insults are Satan driven.. and before you write a reply as a reaction just remember Satan could be the one dictating them to you.. Take care Peace and Love for Peace loving people

While contemplating on this part of surah724 'He said, "Descend as enemies to one another' ........Could it be that not only includes satan vs humans, but also men vs women, as history shows that when males had power in their hands, according to them, it was the woman's fault what ever a man did; from Eve to Sarah to stories in hadith. All religions have to some extent blamed women for the wrongs in this world. Now with the emergence of power granted to women in the 20th century, which I believe has happened for the first time in modern history, see how women are treating men. nope

That is a very tall order indeed. Even english is not my mother tongue. Still I keep thinking about it. Not easy at all to give a concise, simple wording with all the content. The whole of Qur'an more or less is like that. Salaam

Peace. 3210 And they said When we are buried in the ground, will we be created anew? Indeed, they reject the meeting of their Lord. How should we be buried? Should we go to the burial of non believers? I think somewere in tge Quran it days we shouldn't I couldn't find it to bring it up. If we are supose to get buried then we could not cremate our selves I suppose. Thanks 5.30 - 31The (selfish) soul of the other led him to the murder of his brother he murdered him, and became (himself) one of the lost ones. Then Allah sent a raven, who scratched the ground, to show him how to hide the shame of his brother. "Woe is me!" said he; "Was I not even able to be as this raven, and to hide the shame of my brother?" then he became full of regrets- I am not sure if the word "shame" is a proper translation but its a good way to look at how we are to be buried. It must be done before decomposing. The accounts of the raven is also there in the Talmud "Adam and his help mate were sitting weeping and lamenting over him , and they did not know what to do with Abel, for they were not acquainted with burial. A raven, one of whose companions had died, came. He took him and dug in the earth and buried him before his eyes. Adam said, 'I shall do as this raven.' Immediately, he took Abel's corpse and dug in the earth and buried it."

Thank you Pazuzu for this thread, I appreciate it very much specially because of the translation of the Ayats and clarification of Arabic language. PS I would just like to know which English translation of the Kuran do you use, or is it just your own translation, you being lucky to know Arabic?

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Peace, Salaam brother, If you find some words or sentences wrongly translated on free-minds translation and if you can compare the same with the translation of other aayaats on free-minds, please do post it on the following http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602254.msg275877#msg275877 May Allah increase us all in knowledge pr Mohammed M. Khan Thanks, I was looking for that thread but I couldn't find that. I also hope that God will guide us to the right path. peace pr Peace

I'm talking about a society ruled by the Qur'an. Doesn't matter.... without proper control... all homo sapiens have a very big tendency to corrupt and/or abuse of power. And Quran cannot 'rule' since it's merely a book.. a dead matter... Salam / Peace

Peace Inelwyn peace The 4 Gospels that are popular today are written as THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO... There is no "original" Gospel, they're all accounts. However, the Gospels do contain the sayings/actions/commandments of Jesus. To my belief, i do believe these sayings of Jesus. In the Quran, it states that something along the lines of Compassion/Mercy was put in the "heart" of those who followed Jesus (5727), and when you look into the Gospels, you will see that Compassion, the Philanthropy, and the lovely teachings... Another teaching of Jesus is of that of arrogance. (i.e whoever exalts himself will be debased... whoever humbles himself will be exalted). This is confirmed in the Quran, because it states that one of the reasons that the Nazariens/christians are closer to the believers as friends is because they are not arrogant (582). Other Teachings of Jesus include his parables about God's Kingdom to come, forgiveness, repentence etc. As noted by Jafar, the Gospel of Mathew is the one to put your bets in. The Gospel According to John's is the most hellenistic, and features the deifying of Jesus. Moreover, I Encourage everyone to read the Previous books of God. You will see yourself the Truth therin. There are many, many similarities between the Quran and the bible (from the Cow of Sura 2 = Numbers 19, to the Saul being king 2246 = 1 Samuel etc) (Also, if anyone tells you about the "contadictions" of the bible, please search the Refutations of such "contradictions", because many of these contradictions ara actually mistranslations of the original Hebrew Text. (Many Contradictions are in count of Numbers, which are mistakes seen in translations) Resources The First Nine Surahs of the Quran With Lists of Passages in the Old Testament and Gospels, of which Verses or Expressions in the Quran Are Reminiscent (Istanbul, 1926). (324Mb) http//www.tyndalearchive.com/TABS/index.htm (Scroll down, it's the last document) Hebrew-English Old Testament http//www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0.htm Aramaic Old Testament and New Testament (trilenear Translations Aramaic-Hebrew-English) http//www.peshitta.org/ The Parables of Jesus http//www.bcbsr.com/survey/jpbl.html

salaam again Indelwyn I always remembered this one.

Not going to learn any grammar, be it in any language How would you understand the text of that language, in case you become interested in knowing that?

Peace Belief/disbelief is a dynamic thing. There is static belief a person is a believer over a long expanse of time There is dynamic disbelief a person rejects good for a short period of time Ever watched the matrix? Pay attention to the machine army. Quran is essentially saying stay away from the machines who try to exert their omnipotent will by oppressive force. Peace

Peace, Water is in air, Water is in soil, Water is the ocean, Air is another ocean, The boundary defined, By the two seas, The action at their boundaries, Read chapter 55, With an open mind, What truly is a sea? What truly is an ocean? You are a droplet of consciousness, In an ocean of conscious observers, You are a single observable universe, In an ocean of universe Interacting with your boundaries, Look to your horizons, And see your own feet Peace

4823 The established Sunnah of Allah which has occurred before. And never will you find in the way of Allah any change. People follow Misleading Sunnah, because they think it will help them in Life.(it won't, it doesn't work). The solution, is too give them True Sunnah that actually help them in life. Like plant your own food & make your own fuel.

An we don't get hosted only by the order of your Lord, to him is what what we have and what's opposing it and what's between that, and your Lord doesn't miss out 1964 Who are "THEY" that are speaking here ? The messengers... angel/malaika/alien/devas whatever names you call them.. What is being recorded in the Quran it's the word / sentence of those 'messenger'.. that's why "God" are commonly being referenced in 3rd person.. (ie He it is.. He's the one.. As thus He said.. etc..)

Salaam Samia -- it's been a while since the good ole days of inheritance verses and happy to see you back. BTW, finally believe we figured those out, lol three years on three verses... http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598748.msg287405#msg287405 I hope these don't take as long. Peace Salaam Ndp Thanks for the welcome. I am happy I am back again to the endless discussions, just like the good old days I left a post on the link you provided....and I am afraid it is not yet over >