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    Mazhar
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    In Ba-Ayn-Dal, there is a derivative of the root word ba`da (&#1583, this derivative i found in 456 is a accusative time adverb and it seems to be missing it's meaning in PRL

    Ba-Ayn-Dal = becoming distant, remote, far off, aloof or far away, removed, retired, withdrew to a distance, alienated, estranged, wide separation, great distance. Possessing judgment and prudence, penetrating, effective judgment, depth or far reaching judgment. Go or going a great length or far in hostility.

    ba'uda vb. (1)
    perf. act. 942, ba'ida 1195
    n.vb. 1144, 1160, 1168, 1195, 2341, 2344, 4338

    ba'id n.m. 2176, 330, 460, 4116, 4136, 4167, 1183, 1189, 143, 1418, 21109, 2212, 2253, 2512, 2722, 348, 3452, 3453, 4144, 4152, 4218, 503, 5027, 5031, 706

    ba'ada vb. (3) impv. 3419

    ab'ada vb. (4) pcple. pass. 21101

    LL, V1, p 261, 262, 263 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=b3d

    Look at Lane's Lexicon Volume 1 Page 262

    http//ejtaal.net/aa/img/ll/2/ll-0262.png

    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.027/03.%20Baad%20Ba%20Ain%20Daal/3.gif

    (1)2120(2)2164(3)2178(4)2181(5)2259(6)308(7)380( 382(9)386(10)390(11)3100(12)3106 (13)4165(14)512(15)532(16)594(17)5108(1668(1)671 (20)756(21)785(22)789(23)806(24)928 (25)966(26)974(27)9115(21032(29)1110(30)1245(31)1337(32)1665(33)1670(34)1691(35) 1694(36)2157(37)2315(32455(39)2529(40)2711(41)2887(42) 3019(43)3024(44)3050(45)3432 (46)3509(47)3888(44241(49)4505(50)4506(51)4911(52)5717(53)6501(54)6507(55)6604(56) 6813(57)7930=57

    (

    Red is NOT a phrase. The second element of is elided since in the context it is explicit. after having reached them the Hadith of Allah and His verbal passages.

    Root

    Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

    a) Total occurrences 235

    b) No of constructions 28

    It occurs in 221 Ayahs in 56 Sura.

    Nouns 25 Recurrence 232 Verbs 3

    . .

    That it is contra. of nearness and proximity; and opposite to before, earlier; and annihilation.

    Semantic domain Time-frame ? Later

    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(121).htm

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      The_Sardar
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      Salam/Peace. I have noticed something in 594

      594
      Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi
      This is because they challenged God and His messenger. And whoever challenges God, then God is severe in punishment.

      Now in the red is shaqqoo (&#1575 & yushaqqi (&#1602 and i happened to check the root word and none of it in PRL mention challange

      Shiin-Qaf-Qaf = pass along the way, cross, open a way/passage/vent/channel, cut/split/divided/clave/ripped/tore.

      shaqqa vb. (1)
      perf. act. 8026
      impf. act. 2827
      n.vb. 8026
      pcple. act. 1334

      shiqq n.m. 167

      shuqqah n.f. 942

      shaqqa vb. (3)
      perf. act. 813, 4732, 594
      impf. act. 4115, 813, 1627, 594
      n.vb. 2137, 2176, 435, 1189, 2253, 382, 4152

      tashaqqaqa vb. (5) impf. act. 274, 2525, 5044

      inshaqqa vb. (7)
      perf. act. 541, 5537, 6916, 841
      impf. act. 1990

      LL, V4, p 299, 300, 301, 302, 303 ## http//ejtaal.net/aa/#q=shqq

      I also check Lane's Lexicon and i think did find something like in http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

      You can check the pages of Shiin-Qaf-Qaf in Lane's Lexicon if i missed something

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000299.pdf

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000300.pdf

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000301.pdf

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000302.pdf

      http//www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume4/00000303.pdf

      I dont know if it's really a mistranslation or something. Hoping you could me in this linguistic issue since my Quranic Arabic is lacking.

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        good_logic
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        Peace The Sardar
        Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
        Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
        My understanding.
        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          The_Sardar
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          Peace The Sardar
          Sometimes we try the different meanings of the root words and see if it fits the sentence and the context translation
          Challenged, opposed,...etc these words also have the same meaning in the context of 594.
          My understanding.
          GOD bless you.
          Peace.

          It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

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            Mazhar
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            It could work if it fits the root definition brother. Salam/Peace.

            Root

            Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

            a) Total occurrences 28

            b) No of constructions 20

            Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

            Ibn Faris stated

            ( &#1577

            . .

            That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

            http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

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              The_Sardar
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              Root

              Words from this Root in the Grand Qur?n

              a) Total occurrences 28

              b) No of constructions 20

              Nouns 8; Recurrence 11 Verb 12; Recurrence 17

              Ibn Faris stated

              ( &#1577

              . .

              That it leads to the perception of rift, cleave. fissure, breakdown happening in a thing.

              http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/(76.htm

              Okay so it depends on the situation then. Like in 591-4

              I shall place the arabic text of 591-4

              591
              Sabbaha lillahi ma fee alssamawatiwama fee al-ardi wahuwa alAAazeezu alhakeemu

              592
              Huwa allathee akhraja allatheenakafaroo min ahli alkitabi min diyarihim li-awwalialhashri ma thanantum an yakhrujoo wathannooannahum maniAAatuhum husoonuhum mina Allahifaatahumu Allahu min haythu lam yahtasiboowaqathafa fee quloobihimu alrruAAba yukhriboonabuyootahum bi-aydeehim waaydee almu/mineena faiAAtabiroo yaolee al-absari

              593
              Walawla an kataba AllahuAAalayhimu aljalaa laAAaththabahum fee alddunyawalahum fee al-akhirati AAathabu alnnari

              594
              Thalika bi-annahum shaqqoo Allahawarasoolahu waman yushaqqi Allaha fa-inna Allahashadeedu alAAiqabi

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                TellMeTheTruth
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                Salam!

                I am confused about the below word

                (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
                (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

                How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

                Peace!

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                  Mazhar
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                  http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/059.%20Al%20Hashr/59.4a.gif

                  This dependent clause occurs twice, once in 813 and 594

                  Verbal sentence http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.074/2.%20Shaqaq%20Sheen%20Qaaf%20Qaaf/6.gif Verb Perfect; third person; plural; masculine. ; Subject Pronoun, in nominative state; - Verbal noun

                  The Form-III structure of Verb is always transitive and will always have a trans-formative meanings, causative to be noun/active participle.

                  This is because they wilfully kept alienated from Allah and His Messenger

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                    Mazhar
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                    Salam!

                    I am confused about the below word

                    (867) the word (asra) is derived from the root
                    (171) the word (asra) is derived from the root

                    How is it possible that a word have two different roots with different meanings? Is there any other example?

                    Peace!

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/2.gif Noun Indefinite; broken plural; feminine; nominative. Root Singular http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.085/302.%20Asara%20Hamza%20Seen%20Ra/5.gif a prisoner

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/09.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20011/13.%20FaAsre%20Seen%20Ra%20Ya/2.gif Verb Perfect; Third Person; Singular; Masculine; ; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)1701=1

                    The Infinitely Glorious, Allah the Exalted, is the focus of all effort. He the Exalted had arranged the travel carrying His sincere Allegiant (Muhammad [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam) for journey; during some part of night?
                    1701

                    An example but from same Root

                    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10.gif
                    Noun definite; singular; masculine; genitive. (1)2215(2)436(3)546(4)578(5)841(6) 960(7)3307(5727(9)5907=9
                    http//haqeeqat.pk/roots/Tabweeb/2.22%20095%20Binaan/10p.gif Verb Imperative; Second person; singular; masculine; last weak consonant elided; Subject pronoun hidden; - Verbal noun. (1)4036(2)6611=2

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                      TellMeTheTruth
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                      Salam Dear Mazhar!

                      You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
                      You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

                      means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

                      I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
                      I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

                      Peace!

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                        Mazhar
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                        Salam Dear Mazhar!

                        You say that is a noun. and is its plural. Then what type of words are , , , etc.? Plural words? what is the rule here?
                        You say that is a verb. On what wazn? what are determiners to identify a verb and a noun in Arabic?

                        means son as a noun. You cannot show example of its use as a verb. (to follow, to praise = &#1606 are different than .

                        I bet that no one can tell any difference between and but you can... wow!
                        I would just say that the seeing will be questioned.

                        Peace!

                        is broken plural; is singular.

                        You cannot show example of its use as a verb

                        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

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                          The_Sardar
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                          اَسرَیٰ is broken plural; اسیر is singular.
                          http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/040.%20Ghaffir/40.36PP.gif

                          Broken plural? That's a first for me.

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                            good_logic
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                            Peace The Sardar.
                            I often read these posts of brother Mazhar with a smile on my face.
                            He takes you around the grammar labyrinth, with a trip to the mysteries of letters, on and on you go encountering verbs, proverbs, converbs and no verbs. Visiting nouns, pronouns, kidnouns and hinouns.
                            Around and around you go if you start with Allah = GOD, you may end up with Allah = Creator?
                            In the end I see no real argument between what you say and what he says!
                            But I like the entertainment.
                            OK it is serious stuff.
                            GOD bless you both.
                            Peace.

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                              Mazhar
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                              Broken plural? That's a first for me.

                              https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

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                                TellMeTheTruth
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                                Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                                However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                                https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_plural

                                given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                                Peace!

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                                  huruf
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                                  A plural, either it is a regula rplural or it is broken pural. I can't recall that there is any other possibility.

                                  Salaam

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    Salam! Dear Mazhar! I did mistake in my previous post. sorry!

                                    However, I still do not understand how one can make difference between two 100% similar words. Or how one can relate 1 word to two different ROOTS.

                                    given link and all other external links do not give the word as an example of broken plural. Can you please share your source which says that is a broken plural? Appreciate!

                                    Peace!

                                    The context and collocates help determining the meanings and etymology of similarly spelled words.

                                    In Lane's Lexicon
                                    is also applied as an epithet to a woman, (Mgh, Msb,) when the woman is mentioned; but otherwise is used as the fem. you say, , like as you say, . (Msb.) The pl. is (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K) and (accord. to several authors, pls. of , TA) (S, M, Msb, K) and (M, K the first of these forms of pl. is proper to epithets applied to those who are hurt or afflicted in their bodies or their intellects

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                                      TellMeTheTruth
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                                      Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                                      Peace!

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                                        Mazhar
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                                        Thank you, borther Mazhar! Now tell me how you implement this meaning in 171

                                        Peace!

                                        http//haqeeqat.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Arabic%20Text/017.%20Al%20Israa/17.1PPP.gif

                                        Please see that this verbal sentence is the Relative clause for the preceding Relative masculine singular pronoun. Other words collocating with it in the sentence reveal it is not noun of Root . But is verb of Root . Anyone familiar with basic rules, he knows that its first Hamza is of Form-IV. This stem is formed by prefixing (a-) and dropping the vowel of the first radical.

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                                          The_Sardar
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                                          Salam/Peace brother Wakas. I have this received from brother Quran Centric when i asked him about the root definition of Salat. This is what he showed. I hope you can add this in PRL - Project Root-List.
                                          I think it's from http//www.baheth.info/ or http//lisaan.net/

                                          P.S The image is big.

                                          https//i.imgur.com/XLs5Vxn.jpg

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