Marriage & Divorce

The verse says (Free-minds translation) "But if you do not know their fathers, then, as your brothers in the system and your patrons", ç so mother´s name would be the last option, even in the mother is always known but the father is not for sure (only the mother can know, and it depends on the case) -\ the law might enclose the presumption of paternity but reality is other thing. Then it follows "There is no sin upon you for what mistake you made by it; but you will be responsible for what your hearts deliberately intend. God is Forgiver, Merciful". How can someone deliberately intend something by naming (call) a child? -\ But their hearts did intend to make that child their child by giving it their family's name. Except if it's just for legal purposes or something like that.

I would feel down-right nauseous. I could never go through with it. Growing up with a Jesus Worshipper parent was enough for one lifetime.

Peace Okay I have huge doubts about marriage- when it comes to marrying a non muslim... Seekout the meaning of the word 'muslim'.... Then you will find out, by yourselves, that there is no possible way that a 'non-muslim' could exist. Since non-muslim doesn't exist, then there is now way you could marry one... Furthermore,there are people of the view that the 'do not marry the mushrikeen' verses are in context of the time of the Prophet and only refer to the mushrikeen at that time who were at war with the believers....is there any evidence that this is true? Because if it is, that would mean you can marry anyone of any religion... If God, the true God that is which controls everything, doesn't allow something to marry / have sex with another thing then He will certainly makes it so through many means, He will make their DNA incompatible, as such it will not be 'attracted' to one another (anyone attracted to Chimps or Orangutan or Cockroach?) or their living context (location / time) is so distant that there will be never any chance that they could meet physically. No one today could marry a Neanderthal or a Denisovans although (modern) human DNA is compatible with them since they no longer exist. Yet, today's (modern) human DNA has revealed that the mixing between Neanderthal, Denisovans and human did happened in the past. It means that God allows it, as everything happened in accordance to His plan right? Having said that... Restriction of marrying with enemy, or group of people labeled as enemy, is a common behavior shown by human, especially by the politicians / ruler / religious leader among them. The objective is to ensure that such specific group is and will still be considered as an enemy, by the populace. If marriage happened between those two group, slowly the group will be merged into one society sharing a (new) and common identity. Their identity, tradition and culture will be mixed into one. And the people will be reluctant to kill / show hostility towards one another. Which is bad.... for politicians... but good.. for the society as a whole.... Real world example is too many to count, but here's a few, Native Americans & Spaniards = Mexicans, Native Americans & European & Asians & Africans = Americans, Israelite & Arabs = Judean and of course Neanderthal & Denisovans & Human = Today's Human.

Reminds me of Sweden. They have clubs for that. Clubs for what??

Salaam/Peace all, I think Jews and Christians, if they worship only God, are rather also believers. "Unbelievers" would be the persons who do not judge according to what God has sent down. Salaam/Peace all. That's what I concluded also. A current atheist may also be okay if he is actually living according to God's law even without being aware. Apparently, majority of the atheists go back to him especially after marriage or when they start facing life's big responsibilities. Edit Forgot medical conditions. It is unhealthy to panic all the time and that's what you get without God.

Maybe all the good muslim men are taken by the good muslim women. And the bad ones are left to the bad women. ) rotfl the birth of good and bad is a uniform process so i m still hoping peace All, something whats in nature cannot be consider as wrong depend on the limits set by law.. sex is in nature of human being its very important that this thing must act and behave in a weird manner , importance of sex in biology play a role of giving a birth to a new human being so the manner must be something what a human nature wanted to do.. ( so dnt worry at all and think about the nature how he created things with perfection) different people had different stories but that part is related with personal task so its better to solve this task and overcome it by different experiments.. (but make sure try to tell and share this with very close people) as it is totally a personal thing and its not important for anybody else to know about it.. its also a game like other games of life including education, rest , work, so work on it to master this thing.. like we do with other things. in reality the thing we considered as most shameful to share with is the thing what bring us in this life hmm the beautiful thing in all of it to look from the lens of advance level then we see other things.. for example = drop of water bring a new creature with life ( bravo ) this process is also a connection between two sexes of human being " how to connect" same like when we connect two things to give us output in other shape .. like switch of light.. even in this thing there is lot more other things to think about and ponder over the beauty of creation but most of us just fall into the apparent value of thing.. God bless us all..

The main question is whether you yourself are convinced. I personally do not like the "wasting his time" bit, but I am not there, so I don't have the whole set to judge. I guess you are also wasting your time, which brings me again to the how much convinced you are. You do not seem enthusiastic about him, which ay be good to a certain extent but not good enough from other point of view. Finally I think, it is you who is "the problem". I mean are you really honest to yourself? That is the impression I get that you do not commit not even to yourself. Even to make a mistake one should be committed so that after you do not feel really like an idiot and on top of it guilty. At any rate I wish all the best. Salaam

It may refer generally to people in charge. In that case, I do not think the way people become in charge of others may have changed very much. Children are always in someboy's charge till they are able to fend for themselves. Depending on the society and its prosperity, they may continue in charge when they are older, like being in the service of more well off people. People unable to earn their living temporarily or permanently or unble to take care of themselves for whatever reason. Salaam

Can the witnesses be any two just men or do they have to be believers?

God is the one who manage to make a couple get connect out of billlions choices ... and he listen to everyone at the same time .. what a lovely God we have.. lets beleivers put their trust on God and they will find the partners who are already settled by God as he already knows everything.. its a beautiful thing .. how we start our life from mystery upon mystery.. even from the birth.. we have to struggle with five millions racers lol after that we struggle to find whatever we need in life.. and struggle is the law of planet earth.. but sometimes we get things without struggle and sometimes with struggle we cant find anything.. its mean whatever belongs to us will come around as everything is under the kingdom and plan of universal God.. enjoy the movie of life relaxly

Al Hamdu lil Lah What are you planning on doing with your degree? Also, what does this gentleman have to say about all this? Is he encouraging for you two to elope?

To me, this responsibility is mutual. Also, I have presented my evidence. Where is yours? Provide your evidence as per forum rules.

Peace! 2432 If you?re single you should get married, if you?re poor God will help you. I think "poor" means not being married/not finding a match in that instance. 3352 You can?t marry more women after ?THIS? you can?t swap wives even if you think the other is more attractive or whatever. You can only have your right and God sees everything. Wrong. This is addressed to the prophet. 6010 This one is abit confusing.. 6010 O you who acknowledge, if the acknowledging women come emigrating to you, then you shall test them. God is fully aware of their acknowledgement. Thus, if you establish that they are those who acknowledge, then you shall not return them to those who do not appreciate. They are no longer lawful for them, nor are those who do not appreciate lawful for them. Return the dowries that were paid. There is no sin upon you to marry them, if you have paid their dowries to them. Do not keep the wives who do not acknowledge, and ask back what dowries you paid. Let them ask back what dowries they had paid. Such is God's judgment; He judges between you. God is Knowledgeable, Wise. It simply encourages believing men to marry believing women. Divorce women who reject and marry believing women. It annuls marriages between believing women that fled rejecters and tells men to annul their marriages with women who spurn guidance while claiming virtue (al kawafir). 2237 This is confusing Plausible translation 2237 If you divorce them before touching them, but after you had set the dowry for them, the compensation shall be half the dowry, unless they voluntarily forfeit their rights, or the party responsible for causing the divorce chooses to forfeit the dowry. To forfeit is closer to righteousness. You shall maintain the amicable relations among you. GOD is Seer of everything you do., 43 If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. I want to focus a little on this verse. What is injustice? What would be classified as injustice? Is it better for a man to marry an orphan? So can a guy marry 2,3,4 without any reason just for the wish of marrying them? For the shahwa he desires? For his inner desire is it ok? Or is that injustice? I address that vere and related points here. Any comments? https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13789.msg411303#msg411303 https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9597268.msg411300#msg411300 Also I think the mainstream muslims sunni's and shias get the contract and witnesses from this verse, though would it involve marriage also? 2282 O ye who believe! When ye deal with each other, in transactions involving future obligations in a fixed period of time, reduce them to writing Let a scribe write down faithfully as between the parties let not the scribe refuse to write as Allah Has taught him, so let him write. Let him who incurs the liability dictate, but let him fear His Lord Allah, and not diminish aught of what he owes. If they party liable is mentally deficient, or weak, or unable Himself to dictate, Let his guardian dictate faithfully, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. The witnesses should not refuse when they are called on (For evidence). Disdain not to reduce to writing (your contract) for a future period, whether it be small or big it is juster in the sight of Allah, More suitable as evidence, and more convenient to prevent doubts among yourselves but if it be a transaction which ye carry out on the spot among yourselves, there is no blame on you if ye reduce it not to writing. But take witness whenever ye make a commercial contract; and let neither scribe nor witness suffer harm. If ye do (such harm), it would be wickedness in you. So fear Allah. For it is God that teaches you. And Allah is well acquainted with all things. I can't realy find anything about the process but anyway share your comments Obviously not, since that is about debt. It seems marriage only requires a verbal contract and dowry.

It's so sad seeing this post, knowing that Alen died last year, alone in London. How very surreal! offtopic I noticed everyone on Facebook Alen Deomic. Who was he in this worldy life before his soul moved on to the Barrier (Bazarkh).

Islamic State follow hadith books of Bukhari & Co and their perverted version of the Quran and it's the West's fault for IS to do what they do? Western politics is influenced by religious nutcases who believe by causing havoc in the Middle East, Jesus will descend from heaven and raise them back up. The West did not write the hadith books Muslims follow. It is these three "Abrahamic" religions that are messing the world right now and have been doing so for hundreds of years. They are all guilty. Religous State=Religious apartheid. Just look at Israel and Saudi Arabia. Any state that spews religious BS and shoves it down peoples throats(like all religions do) in the name of their imaginary God is tyranny. The GOD is not a tyrant. Religion seeks to expand and recruit more "believers" AKA herd of sheep to gain more control. The GOD would never approve of religion. Religion is man-made and does not guide anyone. With this in mind, you can be certain that The GOD would never approve of a religious apartheid. It is a sectarian war. All credit goes to the three "Abrahamic" religions. jedi

Sometimes GOD is not even talking to men or about men,yet in their arrogance they take the subjectivity if it means "pride" and "honour" to them. I said if it means it to them,I did not say GOD meant whatsoever. Most of the times we just give the meanings our own twist!!!! Men,yes men( Or the biggest majority) needed to be given what the brave women put up with in life,then we will see how "strong" and "mighty" it will make them feel? Ok ,so there are some women who also need lessons.We all need lessons. Our attitude of "different" races/gender/tribes/...needs adjusting and deregulated! "Ya aayuha Al-Naas"...GOD is talking to all of us! "Inna khalknakum min Dakarin Wa Untha...Yes both sexes involved in reproducing us-Humans_...... etc.. .Inna Akramakum inda Allah Atqaakum." Yes indeed those who are peaceful/good/No gender bias... are Atqaakum" -simply the best!- Remember here the opposite of "Atqaakum" is "Aadakum" - opressors"-!!!! "wa taawanu ala Al-birri wa Al-Taqwa, Wala Taawanu Ala Al-Ithmi wa Al-uudwan". Opposit of Taqwa is Uudwan( oppression). i.e Compete in Al-birri and Taqwa brothers and sisters!!!!! Anyway, my rant again. Thanks for the rant! Couldn't agree more! GOD bless you all. Peace.

God tells us who the "believers" are "Mu'mens (believers) are those who have faith in God and His messenger?" (4915) "?and attain the status of having no doubt whatsoever?" (4915) "?and Strive with their money and their lives in the cause of God. These are the truthful ones." (4915) "The true faithful are those whose hearts tremble when GOD is mentioned?" (82) "?and when His revelations are recited to them, their faith is strengthened?" (82) "?and they trust in their Lord." (82) "They uphold the Worship (Salat)?" (83) "?and from our provisions to them, they give to charity." (83) "Such are TRULY THE BELIEVERS. They attain high ranks at their Lord, as well as forgiveness and a generous provision." (84) I don't see how atheists can be considered "believers" we can marry if they reject God's revelations.. aand proudly say there is no god bravo yay ! Thank you!

Peace SeekingThePrayer. You say, Quote Cool, i am still studying. Busy with the Tawrat, Zabur, Indjeel and Quran, busy with the languages Arabic, Aramaic and Hebrew.. Nice for you to find all this free time. However,you go on to say,quote What else should they do in all that free time.. Would you not allow her free time to do the same .i.e Study Tawrat,Zabur,Injeel and Qoran with the languages?. She will need a lot of free time. I hope you will share all the house jobs with her for both of you to be able to do everything. GOD bless you. Peace

6 months ago, I married a man on the condition that he would convert to Islam. He agreed. Today he confessed that he is not able to accept Islam, and he says that I may either accept him as a non Muslim or leave. He says he believes in one god, but he also believes in rebirth, and that the dead guide and watch over the living from a separate plane of existence. He asks why we can't be together despite being a good person. We both love each other very much, and I don't know what to do. Please tell me any insights you may have. It is only human for two people to share a spiritual path together in love. It is this reason that many people post on this forum - otherwise, we would just talk to themselves - we have a need to debate and discuss and see how others are achieving their goals. You are in a very difficult position but you just need to listen to yourself and what you need and discuss this also with your partner. I married when I did not believe. I used to do my own meditation etc and found that for two people living under one roof things could sometimes conflict for want of sharing moments. What better moment to share then to share a spiritual journey? The spiritual journey can be similar to all the posters who come on here and post something to get some feedback. ie it does not have to be spiritual at the beginning but about thinking and talking about things. Imagine if your partner eats pork or does other things which are not necessarily against you faith but against what you think or believe? What would you do then? I am talking about core basics here - like a man who womanizes or goes off and travels on his own - examples I have seen. Slowly in time, my wife started to be curious and read the Quran and felt like she should find out about this media-tainted "extremist" ideology I was so into. She also slowly found it consoling her and now we share the path together maybe in slightly different ways but we discuss all aspects. When my non-muslim relatives visit my house (and they are very nice) they willingly try not to eat pork in front of me (even in their own houses) - they do drink and this is fine for me - they are not alcoholics so I have no problems - but I could see how living with my relatives could cause difficult situations in my personal life. I wish you the best of luck. All I can say is meditation or Salat to God and communication with you partner should help. Salam Ed

Peace, I wouldn't bother making problems for the parents. Let them be happy. Have a traditional Imam etc. etc. Ask for girl's hand from her parents, give her gift etc. need witnesses for the contract (meethaq). So what? after you get married and settle down with Quranic wife then you're both free to do whatever you want. No point upsetting the parents for something like this. They're not making you idol-worship or anything so it's cool .. just run with it! it's only one night! congratulations sun We can't agree with you. There is no need for an "imam", especially not one that is specialised in "false doctrines". I would ask the parents, make a contract etc. No way i would invite an "imam" to tell me what to do just because he likes to fill hes belly.